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Shulin Jiang
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Guys please tell me how advance the J-10 really is.
Like its radar search rang, tracking ability, and ground attack ability.
Also its engine, is it Ws or AL
finilly about its avionic system such as missle warning system.
Like its radar search rang, tracking ability, and ground attack ability.
Also its engine, is it Ws or AL
finilly about its avionic system such as missle warning system.
Do they have the capacity to build more than 100 J-10s? Quite possibly. They were pretty only having 1 J-10 production line for the first half of the year and then switched to two or three for the second half. If they had 3 lines going producing at the maximum, which is 3 per line, they can theoretically go over 100. Then, you have the question of the parts. Engine is the biggest issue here. Also, whether China can afford that many J-10s per year and such.
to Shulin Jiang,
we don't know the exact capability of its radar. We just know its manufactured by lab 14, I suspect it's 149x. Since J-8F is using 1492, whereas J-8H which came earlier uses 1471. The current version of J-10 should using 149x instead of 1473.
As for engine, it's still using AL-31FN. We might have WS-10A equipped J-10 in the future, but not sure when.
As for avionics, you can take a look at JF-17 thread, gives you an idea of J-10's avionics.
Chengdu J-10
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I think that the reason the PLAAF isn't mass producing the J-10 is due to two factors:
1) The budget of the PLAAF. The J-10 isn't a cheap aircraft
2) The J-10 might be undergoing further upgrades to its equipment. (avionics, fire control. etc.)
If the PLAAF had all three production lines open with each production line making 3 J-10's a month for a year the PLAAF would have 108 J-10's a year.
Question: This may sound stupid
Why does China have only 3 productions lines for the PLAAF? (production lines meaning factories to build aircrafts you mean?)
Why doesn't China build more production lines?
1) The budget of the PLAAF. The J-10 isn't a cheap aircraft
2) The J-10 might be undergoing further upgrades to its equipment. (avionics, fire control. etc.)
If the PLAAF had all three production lines open with each production line making 3 J-10's a month for a year the PLAAF would have 108 J-10's a year.
Question: This may sound stupid
Why does China have only 3 productions lines for the PLAAF? (production lines meaning factories to build aircrafts you mean?)
Why doesn't China build more production lines?
Your two reasons nailed it quite right.
But there is another thing. Fighter jets are not produced like hamburgers.
Before you can produce one, there are thousands of components that have to be fulfilled. No use having 10 production lines, when you cannot produce enough engines for example to use it all up.
The quality controls are there. For one thing, and you have to give credit to the people in charge, everything now has to pass through a strict rigorous process of certification, quality testing and control. For example, the engines recieved from Russia will have to be individually tested again and certified by the Chinese, those that did not perform to meet standards will be rejected and sent back. You cannot mass produce to an extent and hope you can keep your quality up. The Soviet Union at one time, produced as much as a hundred Flankers a year, but I bet a lot of it were junk.
Now there is another thing. The PLAAF itself cannot absorb or digest 100 new J-10s a year. That's because an organization can only change so much. At best I can only see them changing two or three regiments per year. Actually PLAAF modernization is organizationally quite stressful, since overall, one regiment each have to also convert to J-11, JH-7A, even J-7G and J-8F respectively. For that reason, you can aslo see why the PLAN cannot absorb so many new ships and subs.
Its just like a human being. No matter how many hamburgers you can make, you can only eat so much.
But there is another thing. Fighter jets are not produced like hamburgers.
Before you can produce one, there are thousands of components that have to be fulfilled. No use having 10 production lines, when you cannot produce enough engines for example to use it all up.
The quality controls are there. For one thing, and you have to give credit to the people in charge, everything now has to pass through a strict rigorous process of certification, quality testing and control. For example, the engines recieved from Russia will have to be individually tested again and certified by the Chinese, those that did not perform to meet standards will be rejected and sent back. You cannot mass produce to an extent and hope you can keep your quality up. The Soviet Union at one time, produced as much as a hundred Flankers a year, but I bet a lot of it were junk.
Now there is another thing. The PLAAF itself cannot absorb or digest 100 new J-10s a year. That's because an organization can only change so much. At best I can only see them changing two or three regiments per year. Actually PLAAF modernization is organizationally quite stressful, since overall, one regiment each have to also convert to J-11, JH-7A, even J-7G and J-8F respectively. For that reason, you can aslo see why the PLAN cannot absorb so many new ships and subs.
Its just like a human being. No matter how many hamburgers you can make, you can only eat so much.
The lead guy is Song Wen Cong. Quite an old guy so I think he did work on the J-7 and J-8 as well.
I don't know if the nickname is verified, but "long" usually means dragon.
Chengdu J-10
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The J-10A/B number is around what 120 aircraft in the PLAAF.
What would that number be roughly by the end of next year? My guess would be 160 J-10A/B
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I think its way more than 50. As a matter of fact I'm not sure if Salut even declared the right number of engines or shipped engines that they did not bother to declare.
This is what I would expect the J-10 regiments. About 24 single seaters, 4 double seaters, 28 aircraft total. I based this on the number of hangers on the Yunnan province base of one of the 44th Division based on Google Earth sighting.
13th Trials Regiment of the FTTC, location Caijing AFB, Beijing MR.
130th Regiment of the 44th Division, location Kunming, Chengdu MR
131th Regiment of the 44th Division, location Menzies, Chengdu MR.
5th Regiment of the 2nd Division, location Guilin, Guanzhou MR. Either its the 4th or the 5th but I believe its the 5th. The 6th Regiment uses J-11s.
9th Regiment of the 3rd Division, location Wuhu AFB, Nanjing MR. I am more inclined its the 9th rather than the 8th. The 7th Regiment uses Su-30MKK.
3rd Regiment of the 1st Division, location Anshan, Shenyang MR. I'm not really sure of the location. Anshan is the general location for the 1st Divsion. The 1st Regiment uses J-8F and the 2nd Regiment uses J-11.
That's going to be over 150 aircraft but we're not going to assume they will fill every spot at least not yet. Some spots may be backordered.
This is what I would expect the J-10 regiments. About 24 single seaters, 4 double seaters, 28 aircraft total. I based this on the number of hangers on the Yunnan province base of one of the 44th Division based on Google Earth sighting.
13th Trials Regiment of the FTTC, location Caijing AFB, Beijing MR.
130th Regiment of the 44th Division, location Kunming, Chengdu MR
131th Regiment of the 44th Division, location Menzies, Chengdu MR.
5th Regiment of the 2nd Division, location Guilin, Guanzhou MR. Either its the 4th or the 5th but I believe its the 5th. The 6th Regiment uses J-11s.
9th Regiment of the 3rd Division, location Wuhu AFB, Nanjing MR. I am more inclined its the 9th rather than the 8th. The 7th Regiment uses Su-30MKK.
3rd Regiment of the 1st Division, location Anshan, Shenyang MR. I'm not really sure of the location. Anshan is the general location for the 1st Divsion. The 1st Regiment uses J-8F and the 2nd Regiment uses J-11.
That's going to be over 150 aircraft but we're not going to assume they will fill every spot at least not yet. Some spots may be backordered.
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