*New J-10 Thread*

[crobato]

The usual ratio of two seaters in a fighter regiment is about four planes per regiment. So every new regiment should have four of them. I don't think the J-10Bs were available when the J-10 regiment in the 44th Division was formed, or when the FTTC regiment was formed, but I'm guessing these regiments should get J-10Bs are part of backorder. So I think there is about 12-16 J-10Bs.

 

[crobato]

There is a report about the J-10s of the 44th Division playing aggressor against Jinan MR, which is defended by the Su-27s and J-11s of the 19th Division.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

There is a report about the J-10s of the 44th Division playing aggressor against Jinan MR, which is defended by the Su-27s and J-11s of the 19th Division.

Why would the 44th Division equipped with J-10s play aggressor against Jinan MR, the 19th Division equipped with the Su-27s and J-11s? In my opinion their must be a debate of which airforce is better. (Pilot, training, skill and aircraft wise)

 

[crobato]

Why would the 44th Division equipped with J-10s play aggressor against Jinan MR, the 19th Division equipped with the Su-27s and J-11s? In my opinion their must be a debate of which airforce is better. (Pilot, training, skill and aircraft wise)

That's how the PLAAF exercises, Blue Flag vs. Red Flag with DACT.

In this case, 44th Division is playing I guess Blue Flag, trying to simulate ROCAF forces.

 

[tphuang]

That's how the PLAAF exercises, Blue Flag vs. Red Flag with DACT.

In this case, 44th Division is playing I guess Blue Flag, trying to simulate ROCAF forces.

I also saw some rumours of JH-7A vs J-10, where JH-7A is trying to perform some low-altitude strike and J-10 is trying to prevent JH-7A

 

[Chengdu J-10]

That's how the PLAAF exercises, Blue Flag vs. Red Flag with DACT.

In this case, 44th Division is playing I guess Blue Flag, trying to simulate ROCAF forces.

Sorry my mistake i was thinking of something else. Not the training that you were talking about i was thinking that you were talking about the internal problems between the regions airforce.

 

[crobato]

Reading some blogs and messages, it looks like the 1st Division J-11s and J-8Fs were also involved "fighting" the "ROCAF" (I bet you the 44th Division or FTTC J-10s playing Aggressor).

The 1st Division now appears slated to recieve an "all new domestic fighter" soon. The term is so vague it can apply both to the J-11B or J-10, but the current opinion is that they will be getting J-10s.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Reading some blogs and messages, it looks like the 1st Division J-11s and J-8Fs were also involved "fighting" the "ROCAF" (I bet you the 44th Division or FTTC J-10s playing Aggressor).

The 1st Division now appears slated to recieve an "all new domestic fighter" soon. The term is so vague it can apply both to the J-11B or J-10, but the current opinion is that they will be getting J-10s.

All domestic for the J-11 seems a bit to fast in the procedure of turning the licenese production of the Russian Su-27 to a domestic J-11. While the J-10 sounds more likely of turning fully domestic, as it needs just a couple of things to make it fully domestic. Possibly the radar, and the engine from the AL-31FN to the WS-10A

 

[crobato]

Reading some blogs and messages, it looks like the 1st Division J-11s and J-8Fs were also involved "fighting" the "ROCAF" (I bet you the 44th Division or FTTC J-10s playing Aggressor).

Might also be a locking contest with the real ROCAF. By locking contest I mean the planes would attempt to get a target lock on against ROCAF Mirages, IDFs and F-16s and vice versa.

 

[crobato]

All domestic for the J-11 seems a bit to fast in the procedure of turning the licenese production of the Russian Su-27 to a domestic J-11. While the J-10 sounds more likely of turning fully domestic, as it needs just a couple of things to make it fully domestic. Possibly the radar, and the engine from the AL-31FN to the WS-10A

By domestic, it means made in China regardless of parts origin. The J-11 in PLA literature is also described as an all new domestic fighter even though it uses Russian supplied CKDs.

My personal opinion is that at this stage, the J-11B is ready to enter an initial operational status with one or two regiments, though its a stage behind the J-10 which has gone fully operational. If the J-11B goes IOC I would think the 1st Division is the most likely place being located in Shenyang and conveniently close to the factory. The 1st Division is the first unit to be completely J-11 (although the 2nd Division was the first unit to recieve some), and the first unit to get J-8F.

As you note there is some rivalry going on between Shenyang and Chengdu. To have J-10s in Shenyang's backyard can be regarded like an insult to Shenyang, and more so if the J-10 takes the regimental "0" lead number. This can demote the J-11s and the J-8F of the same division to "1" and "2" respectively, meaning secondary status.

You can see how Su-30MKK got demoted in the 3rd Division. The 3rd Division is the first unit to get the Su-30MKK and now the planes have gone from "0" to "1" in regimental status while the J-10s take "0". To add insult to injury, the pilot jacket badges of the units are now sporting a new design with a J-10silhouette on.