New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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Initially, CATL's sodium battery may also contain lithium.

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Sodium-Aluminum battery is almost 70% less expensive than LFP.
that's not saying sodium-aluminum battery is 70% less expensive than LFP. It's just cathodes. There are other materials also. Having said that, sodium battery looks like it can be 30% cheaper than even the lowest cost LFP battery (which is BYD's blade battery) based on prior CATL comments. That's quite the game changer. And just as importantly, it gets rid of the problem where we won't have enough lithium to support all the LIB that's needed for EVs. After 2025, Lithium prices are likely to come down quite a bit.

This one is important too. We are going to hit a lithium downturn at some point. The Western politicians want to talk about Lithium like it's the new oil. It really isn't. Dominating lithium doesn't allow you to dominate batteries. You need to just have the most advanced chemistry and the most efficient supply chain and lowest production cost. We are going to reach a point in the next few years where China's dominance over processed lithium/cobalt/nickel won't mean much, because there are so many other viable chemistries. China's competitive advantage in battery is the tech itself and its supply chain, not the control over mineral resources.
 

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more on BYD.

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Massive construction under way in Shenshan for their other major export factory hub. To be ready by June.

Chongqing phase 3 battery plant continuing to be built. 20 GWh expect to be added.

Over 1500 BYD Atto 3 orders by Nov 13th in India. apparently 40% are BBA owners.

Pre-booking has now started in Malaysia for Atto 3.
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Can you show on the map where is Shenshan zone located? It's in Huizhou or Shanwei?
 

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Well, the Mexican expansion is announced. aiming for 15 dealers and 10k sales for 2023 and 40 dealers + 20 to 30k sales for 2024. That's pretty ambitious goals. So far, just announced Han and Tang. I would assume Atto 3 is next and probably Song+ DM-i. That's what happend in the Brazilian market. I think if things go well, they will set up plant in Mexico. Remember, cars that are 75% made in Mexico qualifies for tariff free export in North America. As such, I can see them follow the Brazilian playbook here of iron and Lithium processing plant with locally mined iron ore and Lithium. They can make the batteries in Mexico or export back to China to be made into blade batteries there. The final assembly will be in Mexico and they can buy parts in Mexico. Aside from America (which is probably not a great market to enter right now), the Canadian market is also a large enough to consider when they think about building a plant here.
 

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Well, the Mexican expansion is announced. aiming for 15 dealers and 10k sales for 2023 and 40 dealers + 20 to 30k sales for 2024. That's pretty ambitious goals. So far, just announced Han and Tang. I would assume Atto 3 is next and probably Song+ DM-i. That's what happend in the Brazilian market. I think if things go well, they will set up plant in Mexico. Remember, cars that are 75% made in Mexico qualifies for tariff free export in North America. As such, I can see them follow the Brazilian playbook here of iron and Lithium processing plant with locally mined iron ore and Lithium. They can make the batteries in Mexico or export back to China to be made into blade batteries there. The final assembly will be in Mexico and they can buy parts in Mexico. Aside from America (which is probably not a great market to enter right now), the Canadian market is also a large enough to consider when they think about building a plant here.
The same Canada that just forced Chinese companies to divest from Lithium mines? ;)
 

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Some BYD news out overnight
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Are they getting into Na ion battery game? Looks like it with SeaGull.
60k RMB for 300km Sodium version and 80k for 400km LFP version. With established supply chain, can lower Na battery system cost to 640 RMB/KWh (500 without system) vs 750 for LFP.
BYD is not going to allow CATL dominate this chemistry. Interesting how the initial sodium battery will actually be more expensive than blade battery. Shows how low cost blade battery is. I think it's going to take some resources to build up Sodium ion supply chain.

BYD K6 buses getting delivered to Kenya

They also have J6 buses in Japan doing autonomous driving testing.
 

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BYD going big in Thailand. Got the Bangkok motor show from 12/01 to 12/12 I think. They are going to be showing 6 models there. Increasing their supply of Atto 3 in Thailand to 10k by end of January.

official reporting on their move into Mexico

Officially, the Bahia factory will be announced on 12/13 for BYD. Quite the big day for BYD to have 3 factories here.
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