New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

siegecrossbow

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I think this is even more telling.
His reason for Indian Evs eating Tesla's lunch and possibly world domination is by blocking China from eating India's lunch .
He wrote:
" India’s government made absolutely the right decision in locking out the Chinese-made Teslas, because India is developing a new generation of electric vehicles, built for the masses, which could dominate global markets".

In which dimension?
 

pmc

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But ICE cars are not robust, reliable or rugged.

However, these are inherent characteristics of electric cars which are just batteries plus a motor.

You could even argue that electric cars (even with all the electronics) are actually simpler than ICE cars which have thousands of complex mechanical components.

And the lack of infotainment system and app store will be a deal breaker for car buyers
ICE cars still have strong following. Toyota Off-roaders are very popular.
easy to install extra fuel tank for long range.
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You still need very strong ICE industry especially diesel for transport, farming, construction and military vehicles.
EV will be twice as heavy if make them body on frame with much reduce range with all terrain tires
than there issue with dealing with extreme hot and cold weather performance and ground clearance. there are videos of Tesla Model Y tests at 110 F and its range already reduced 30% and that at flat road at optimum speed and no offroad tires.

This $20K lada has 3 diff locks. i doubt in such short vehicle a big battery can be installed.
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AndrewS

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ICE cars still have strong following. Toyota Off-roaders are very popular.
easy to install extra fuel tank for long range.

And 99% of the population has no actual need for an extra fuel tank for extremely long-range desert journeys.

You still need very strong ICE industry especially diesel for transport, farming, construction and military vehicles.

These all tend to be vehicles produced in low quantities. Look at how lorries/trucks are like 2% the size of the passenger car fleet.


EV will be twice as heavy if make them body on frame with much reduce range with all terrain tires
than there issue with dealing with extreme hot and cold weather performance and ground clearance. there are videos of Tesla Model Y tests at 110 F and its range already reduced 30% and that at flat road at optimum speed and no offroad tires.

And it's a good thing that battery technology is improving rapidly in terms of capacity and also rapid charging.
But even today, the cars can handle over 90% of normal use cases.
 

taxiya

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Institute of Physics has been one of the leading research center of condensed matter physics (a fancy way of saying solid state physics) in China
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It seems to me that "condensed matter" is a wildly and long accepted terminology by the science community. It includes a lot other matters including but not limited to liquid.

The term itself is serious, even though the usage by this particular company may be just out of fancy marketing strategy, just like someone in this forum tried to blend the old composite material into meta material for bragging right.

On the other hand, the company may be serious with naming their battery. That means their battery isn't pure solid, but a mix of solid and liquid mediums.

From a layman's perspective, there is either solid or liquid, so condensed matter does sound wired to the point of "marketing gimmick", but it may be more accurate and honest than it seems.
 
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taxiya

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@weig2000 continue from #2,145

Another thought is that, from my limited knowledge, current "liquid" batteries are kind of gel like, not solid nor liquid. The solid material in known solid batteries has the challenge that ion does not move easily as in liquid or gel form. So the practical solid batteries may use some new form of gel that does not change its phase (liquefy or solidify). In this regards, condensed material is more accurate. Solid (battery) would be misleading if it is actually gel, or unrealistic if it remains solid all the time.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Because I favour ICE Vechiles over EV I am hoping this predicted power shortage is so bad will see a delay in the dominace of EV's over the ICE. Meanwhile while reading the fine print in my newly purchased washing machine I notice the mechanical parts have a 8 yr waranty while the electronics only have two. Hmmmm maybe that won't augur well for EV's with their increased electronics.
What power shortage?
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taxiya

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What power shortage?
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I remember that Li Keqing once said that he had a simple method of gauging the economical activities by looking at the energy production and consumption. I think that is very valid point because what else are people doing with the electricity produced? It seems that China's real (physical) economy is two times of the US, almost equal to US, EU and India combined.
 

tphuang

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ICE cars still have strong following. Toyota Off-roaders are very popular.
Yet, BYD is creating an EV version of off-roader. Clearly, it is not a category confined to ICE cars.

easy to install extra fuel tank for long range.
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You still need very strong ICE industry especially diesel for transport, farming, construction and military vehicles.
There are all kind of product for that now with BEVs and hydrogen fuel cells. trucks, forklift, tractors, garbage trucks, everything is getting electrified in China.

military is a different story.
EV will be twice as heavy if make them body on frame with much reduce range with all terrain tires
than there issue with dealing with extreme hot and cold weather performance and ground clearance. there are videos of Tesla Model Y tests at 110 F and its range already reduced 30% and that at flat road at optimum speed and no offroad tires.
technology is improving. I wouldn't be using Tesla as the industry leading technology barometer.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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I remember that Li Keqing once said that he had a simple method of gauging the economical activities by looking at the energy production and consumption. I think that is very valid point because what else are people doing with the electricity produced? It seems that China's real (physical) economy is two times of the US, almost equal to US, EU and India combined.
That's why GDP is such a worthless measure - it equates what a lawyer does with what a machinist does. Worse, it values the lawyer far more highly than the machinist. At least it serves one useful purpose: Letting the US think it's "richer" as China drains what's left of its vitality away.
 
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