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Eventine said:
Then China better speed up its nuclear modernization. The West maintaining nuclear superiority over China in a time like this is not acceptable. Build a few thousand weapons and their delivery mechanisms, and then see what happens to Western resolve.
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A nuclear war will realistically never be won by any side.

And in what way does the west have nuclear superiority anyways? I guess they have better undersea missiles. Yet China has better land based missiles and FOBS. China is also likely ahead in missile defense. Both sides have enough early warning that they will see an attack incoming.

Undersea missiles were king in the early and mid cold war because ranges of missiles were poor and early warning was weak. Nowadays, the only nuke which cannot be early warned against would be a FOBS. Heavy land icbm such as DF5, DF41 and Sarmat can reach globally from the nation of origin.

If America is truly desparate they will invade regardless of nukes. Nukes protect the mainland but just like if China invaded Okinawa, Guam or the rest of the Pacific Islands, US would not be able to justify nuclear ultimatum because the territory is not central enough, so can US invade islands in the SCS and Taiwan without invoking a realistic nuclear ultimatum.

The only nuclear option that would work is making the warhead delivery so fast and the missile defense so powerful, that China can do to America same as what they can do with India, I.e. strike them first out of nowhere, shoot down every return shot and then tank the sporadic hit on the chin using bunkers.

But the difference is that India possess 30 dangerous ICBMs while America has over 2000. The tech doesn't exist now and likely will not exist.
 
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GodRektsNoobs said:
Absolutely. US and Western elites are desperate for a global reset because it would be the only way for them to maintain power. I think everyone should that this threat very seriously. US is setting the stage for another world war overseas, betting on its mainland being far away enough to survive unscathed and its vassals to do all the heavy lifting while it harvests them from behind. This is exactly the way US became the predominant power post-WWI and a global superpower post-WWII. This is also what US is currently doing to Europe. It's face it, we already saw that Europeans were brainwashed into a fanatical frenzy by MSM and US in a way no different than the Japanese population in WWII. We should expect no different from Asian vassals of US if a hypothetical war breaks out. Asia will be shafted no matter what in the same way Europe is today. This is why US is doubling down on military spending even though we know they couldn't even keep track where half of it went. This is why US is drowning the world in negative propaganda even though they are mired deep in social turmoil. This is why China will collapse every 30 days on YouTube - it's because they are betting on the everyone forgetting everything after they win.

This is why China needs to do everything it can to prevent an all-out war from occurring until the condition is in its favor. It must to everything it can to divide the West into several incommunicable blocs and in the best case scenario isolate the US so that it could not muster its entire arsenal of expendable vassals on China. The best analogy would be the rise of State of Qin during the Warring States period.

The Western world has their collective heads buried too deep into "the end of history" for them to see that 200 year-old liberal democracy is becoming increasingly obsolescent and mal-adapted for the world we live in today. I am predicting large-scale social collapse, upheaval or revolution scenario will strike the majority of Western nations within 15-20 years if the current trends continue, perhaps even within the decade if social situation continues to deteriorate. It would be the Revolutions of 1848 on steroids. It's not all bad news though - much like the revolutions before, new social-political systems much better adapted to the modern world will emerge from these events. The current Western elites is doing everything it could to prevent the next page of history from turning, and they must not succeed.
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Bro all of this projection doesn't include what form of retaliation the Chinese are capable of. ;) What a stupid strategy they are employing, They're telegraphing their intention to the Chinese...lol letting the Chinese prepare while putting their powder dry. Right now the Collective West is in a mist of economic malaise and the Chinese are holding all the cards, the more sanction and anti Chinese policy they implement the stronger the Chinese had become because they put themselves in corner which restrict their action. One of those weapon is the quick internationalization of Yuan, like the Russian Oil for ruble example, they can demand Yuan payment instead of dollar and see the US collapse from high inflation and supply chain disruption. There is evidence that the Chinese use the Covid restriction as a way to export inflation back to the US. Two can play the game and the Chinese are retaliating in a very subtle way.:cool:
 
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State Department threatens China with costs in case of its assistance to Russia in the field of security. According to the State Department, Russia has made such requests for security assistance from China.

State Department spokesman Ned Price spoke about the US promise to punish China if it is seen trying to help Russia in the field of security or evade sanctions. According to him, in this case, Beijing will bear the costs.

“We are following closely the decisions that the PRC takes in response to any Russian requests for security assistance. We know that Russia has been forced, as I’ve already said, to turn to other partners – Iran, the DPRK – for security assistance precisely because we are starving the Russian state of the inputs that it needs to prosecute its war against Ukraine most effectively. And again, that is putting it euphemistically. So we’re watching very closely. We’ve been very clear with the PRC, including in private, including when the two presidents met in Bali last November, about any costs that would befall the PRC should they decide to assist Russia in a systematic effort to evade U.S. sanctions or in the provision of security assistance that would then be used against the Ukrainian people in Ukraine. So we’re watching very closely” a US foreign policy spokesman said.

He stressed that the United States had previously made it clear to China what the consequences would be if Russia assisted in the systematic evasion of sanctions, as well as in the provision of any kind of security assistance that would help it conduct a special military operation (SVO) on Ukraine.

Earlier, Price noted that the United States opposes military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran and is going to take all necessary measures to prevent its development.

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theforgotten0007 said:
I'm less optimistic.

NATO's aged stockpile were already on its way out but chronic lethargy in EU's policies prevented them from being replaced. The russo/ukraine conflict absolutely provided them an excuse to do so now, making way for new ones on top of raised defence spending. Just look at Poland these days. I also think France has a sizeable naval projection capability despite their rivalry with AUKUS.

In any case, you're right in pointing out that
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but I also think NATO-classic will have a part to play if
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in the opening days of the taiwan contingency.
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Fair point re restocking... but where do EU/NATO find the money, and the industrial capacity to do it quickly?
 
Chevalier

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kokole said:
State Department threatens China with costs in case of its assistance to Russia in the field of security. According to the State Department, Russia has made such requests for security assistance from China.

State Department spokesman Ned Price spoke about the US promise to punish China if it is seen trying to help Russia in the field of security or evade sanctions. According to him, in this case, Beijing will bear the costs.

“We are following closely the decisions that the PRC takes in response to any Russian requests for security assistance. We know that Russia has been forced, as I’ve already said, to turn to other partners – Iran, the DPRK – for security assistance precisely because we are starving the Russian state of the inputs that it needs to prosecute its war against Ukraine most effectively. And again, that is putting it euphemistically. So we’re watching very closely. We’ve been very clear with the PRC, including in private, including when the two presidents met in Bali last November, about any costs that would befall the PRC should they decide to assist Russia in a systematic effort to evade U.S. sanctions or in the provision of security assistance that would then be used against the Ukrainian people in Ukraine. So we’re watching very closely” a US foreign policy spokesman said.

He stressed that the United States had previously made it clear to China what the consequences would be if Russia assisted in the systematic evasion of sanctions, as well as in the provision of any kind of security assistance that would help it conduct a special military operation (SVO) on Ukraine.

Earlier, Price noted that the United States opposes military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran and is going to take all necessary measures to prevent its development.

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Exactly what sanctions weapons are available to the Anglos considering that the US has already blanket banned all high end chips to China (really, the only real vulnerability of China up until Huawei's historic patent accouncement)? Are McDonalds, KFC and Hollywood really gonna walk out of China as they did in Russia and Belarus? The Anglos are stupidly racist, but greedy as well, and after the Meng incident, i dont think any US Elite nor the CIA want to risk being kidnapped by MSS operatives in response to another Meng incident.
 
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Exactly what sanctions weapons are available to the Anglos considering that the US has already blanket banned all high end chips to China (really, the only real vulnerability of China up until Huawei's historic patent accouncement)? Are McDonalds, KFC and Hollywood really gonna walk out of China as they did in Russia and Belarus? The Anglos are stupidly racist, but greedy as well, and after the Meng incident, i dont think any US Elite nor the CIA want to risk being kidnapped by MSS operatives in response to another Meng incident.
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Could be financial sanction via confiscation of T-Bill holdings/any other USD denominated bond. Happened to my Sber bank USD bonds, all gone.
 
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