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GZDRefugee

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人均月收入 is per person income not household income.

For household income you have to multiply by household size because this is per person not per household.
Again, I chose to extrapolate as a proportion of 1.4 billion to maximize confidence interval and prove a point. If you want to get into the nitty-gritty, look at ZeEa5KPul's post that I was responding to. Ask yourself this: what is China's east coast population, what is their average income, do they as China's most prosperous region, earn as much as the average American?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Again, I chose to extrapolate as a proportion of 1.4 billion to maximize confidence interval and prove a point. If you want to get into the nitty-gritty, look at ZeEa5KPul's post that I was responding to. Ask yourself this: what is China's east coast population, what is their average income, do they as China's most prosperous region, earn as much as the average American?
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average wages China: 90,501 RMB (2019) or ~$13000 USD

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average wages after average tax China, Shanghai: 75000 RMB or ~$10000 USD

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average wages US: $40000 USD (2019)

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average wages after average tax US, California: ~$33000

Then take into account differences in rent, mandatory car/gas payments vs. the option of affordable and fast public transit, the cost of everything from food to health insurance, etc and it's more even than you'd expect.
 

GZDRefugee

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average wages China: 90,501 RMB (2019) or ~$13000 USD

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average wages after average tax China, Shanghai: 75000 RMB or ~$10000 USD

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average wages US: $40000 USD (2019)

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average wages after average tax US, California: ~$33000

Then take into account differences in rent, mandatory car/gas payments vs. the option of affordable and fast public transit, the cost of everything from food to health insurance, etc and it's more even than you'd expect.
Anybody live in the US and willing to supply some numbers so we can crunch this out? Also, consider that cost of living varies drastically between urban centres and rural regions. California is not a good representation of the US in its entirety. Likewise, Shanghai is super expensive compared to the rest of China.
 

TK3600

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Anybody live in the US and willing to supply some numbers so we can crunch this out? Also, consider that cost of living varies drastically between urban centres and rural regions. California is not a good representation of the US in its entirety. Likewise, Shanghai is super expensive compared to the rest of China.
How about Huston, Texas, large city, not extremely expensive. Any Texans?
 
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SanWenYu

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I hate to break it to you but median disposable income is still significantly higher in the US, even after accounting for PPP. Unfortunately, as long as the USD holds reserve status and is propped up by fiat, their export of currency will likely keep their economy in the black for decades to come. Demand for worthless pieces of paper is still quite resilient. As for safety and satisfaction, that only matters if Americans can emigrate, something that the government is cracking down hard on.

I agree that China does not need to match US income on a per capita basis. However, take a look at this:
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From Table 1, we can see that the top 16.3% (only 228 million people at most) of Chinese families earn more than USD $4800/yr. Meanwhile for Americans, the median family income was USD $68,000/year. The difference is greater than an order of magnitude. CNY PPP multiplier is 4.208 btw.

Largely irrelevant. EV sales only accounted for 6% of new car sales in 2022. The market share is growing but ultimately miniscule as of current figures. Unless you can prove that China's PPP multiplier is >15, the fact on the ground is that middle class Americans are wealthier than upper class Chinese.

By end of 2022, China had more than 417 million registered mobile vehicles, of which 319 millions are automobiles with at least 4 wheels. Most should be passenger cars for family use. In 2022, more than 17 million automobiles were registered as new.

There were more than 500 million Chinese who have driver licenses by end of 2022. More than 29 millions of them got their licenses in 2022.

It is estimated that the owning a passenger car powered by ICE in China costs between 15000 to 20000 yuans per year after the purchase.

There were also more than 1 billion Internet users in China by end of 2022. Almost all of them accessed internet on smartphones meaning they had mobile data plans. This matches the number of smartphone owners of 1 billion by 2022.

More than 286 million new mobile phones were sold in China in 2022. The average cost of new smartphones in China has rised to more than 2000 yuans each by 2022.

These numbers are already enough for me to be skeptical of that survey.
 

Staedler

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Anybody live in the US and willing to supply some numbers so we can crunch this out? Also, consider that cost of living varies drastically between urban centres and rural regions. California is not a good representation of the US in its entirety. Likewise, Shanghai is super expensive compared to the rest of China.

I don't have any numbers for California or Shanghai, but have them for Hong Kong and NYC.

Regular food is ~2.5x more expensive. Cheap food is ~4x more expensive. Utilities is 2.7x more expensive in aggregate. Individually, it is 5x for water, 3.2x for electricity, 3x for internet (better in HK for this price too), and roughly the same for gas. Transportation is 1.5x-7.5x more expensive depending on whether or not you need to cross the sea / take the tram or bus in HK. Rent (per sq ft) is roughly the same.

So basic costs are about 2.5x-3x more expensive in NYC compared to HK for 1 person. Shanghai is going to be much cheaper than HK. Perhaps some folks live in Shanghai and have been to HK can further extend the comparison.

From online sources, it seems like Shanghai's CoL would be less than half of HK, so maybe a 6x multiplier vis-a-vis NYC?
 
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