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manqiangrexue

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tamsen_ikard said:
Well, people live by their pre-created imaginary world regardless of all the evidence against it and they come up with more and more delusional theories to keep their imaginary world intact. You are I guess one of them who has refused to see reality.
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I think you are confused at what "reality" means. It does not mean you trolling forums with a translator. Reality means real world experience, which I've clearly laid out.
tamsen_ikard said:
Well, your fate is to get shocked again and again as China gets attacked by US with sanctions, tech bans, military provocations and you keep seeing Japan, Australia and other countries supporting it.
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Not shocked by any of that. I expect them to happen. I would be shocked if Japan entered a military conflict to fight against China in which it was clear the US would lose, causing a new world order and causing Japan to fall into the losing side of history yet again.

I'm shocked by your poor reading comprehension that you think your example shocks me. If you're this bad in English, I find your analyses conducted in foreign languages (such as Japanese) difficult to take seriously, to say the least.
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Japan becomes more and more aggressively anti-China and rearms massively. The more stronger China gets in the future, the more Japan will become even stronger US ally. In fact, instead of being advocates of peace, you will find Japan to be an advocate of an early war to stop China now before it becomes too strong. This is no different from how Lithuania, baltic states and Poland are more Pro-US than Americans themselves. That they want to fight Russia now with everything they got plus Nato. if only US had a bigger spine.
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It gets worse before it gets better. Japan may very well attempt harder to suppress China, but once again, my belief that they value self-preservation over loyalty to America is only tested when it becomes apparent that further efforts will have no avail except to doom them.
tamsen_ikard said:
Its your destiny to be shocked again and again as China gets attacked in various ways by these neighbouring countries. And you will keep thinking, why are they being so foolish to attack China and ally with US when China is their biggest trade partner, biggest customer and bla bla. You rational logic will not make sense. That's when you will understand how people can lose all rationality and become suicidal just to fight what they hate.
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It's your destiny to carry your poor reading comprehension from English onto other languages and misunderstand cultures all over the world as you pretend to understand everything but actually understand nothing. Even your elementary level questions on the F-35 vs J-35 show you to be a person of very very poor reading. I've so far been shocked by nothing except your incompetence.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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manqiangrexue said:
I think you are confused at what "reality" means. It does not mean you trolling forums with a translator. Reality means real world experience, which I've clearly laid out.

Not shocked by any of that. I expect them to happen. I would be shocked if Japan entered a military conflict to fight against China in which it was clear the US would lose, causing a new world order and causing Japan to fall into the losing side of history yet again.

I'm shocked by your poor reading comprehension that you think your example shocks me. If you're this bad in English, I find your analyses conducted in foreign languages (such as Japanese) difficult to take seriously, to say the least.

It gets worse before it gets better. Japan may very well attempt harder to suppress China, but once again, my belief that they value self-preservation over loyalty to America is only tested when it becomes apparent that further efforts will have no avail except to doom them.

It's your destiny to carry your poor reading comprehension from English onto other languages and misunderstand cultures all over the world as you pretend to understand everything but actually understand nothing. Even your elementary level questions on the F-35 vs J-35 show you to be a person of very very poor reading. I've so far been shocked by nothing except your incompetence.
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Since you are resorting to personal attacks about reading comprehensions, I will not drag this discussion any further. I haven't heard anything of actual substance from you that supports your argument about how Japanese will become Chinese allies the moment China gets stronger than US. All I heard is personal anecdotes about how Japanese you met in real life have been nice to you. Everyone is nice to everyone in real life, especially in the work place. You will not find Pakistanis and Indians shouting and fighting each other in a work place that they both work.

So, other than your personal experience of how Japanese are nice to you, Do you have any actual evidence of Japanese people switching sides the moment China gets stronger than the US? Nope. But evidence is contrary to your thinking, Surveys show Japanese people are the most anti-China out of all countries in the world and their hatred against China is increasing each year. Actions of Japanese government of allying more with US, imposing sanctions and tech bans against China, or raising military budgets massively also are evidence of hardening Japanese anti-China actions.

But no, Japanese people in your workplace have been nice to you and are shocked by your performance. Thus, Japanese have been proven to be extremely rational and humble people who will switch side the moment they realize China is stronger. Yap.....I am convinced!
 
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Stierlitz

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tamsen_ikard said:
Do you know who are the biggest haters of China's rise? Chinese people and Chinese culture? Do you know who are the biggest worshippers or US and Japanese superiority over the Chinese?
The answer to all these questions are: Chinese themselves.

Don't believe me? Go read reddit subs China_irl, real_China_irl and website pincong.rocks. These are massive websites composed of several hundred thousand to several million users. And these are Chinese language websites.

You will find absolute delusional thinking in these places from actual Chinese people who speak Chinese. All the ideas you read in Western media about China collapse theory, Debt trap diplomacy, Chinese people cannot innovate, Chinese people copy everything and so on. Do you know what is the source of all these delusional takes about China? The so called Chinese liberals, Rebels, self-haters.

Chinese themselves come up with various theories to play down any kind of Chinese achievement. Then they discuss these with Westerners. Who then publish in the English language media.
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Do you know that reddit is one of the most astrosurfed social media platforms in existence ?

Are you aware that surveys have consistenly shown Chinese people overwhelmingly support their government and the direction country is heading ?
 
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When people and countries from the other side of the world (different religion btw) support you more than your brethren and brothers literally next door lol
 
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Stierlitz said:
Do you know that reddit is one of the most astrosurfed social media platforms in existence ?

Are you aware that surveys have consistenly shown Chinese people overwhelmingly support their government and the direction country is heading ?
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Don't argue - he literally picked a tiny subset of Chinese people (btw, those subs are mostly filled with Taiwanese) who reside on a primarily English language platform (Reddit) to "prove" that all Chinese somehow hate themselves more than any other ethnicity, lol. This is such an obviously incorrect logical fallacy that it is clear that he is a troll.
 
Bellum_Romanum

Bellum_Romanum

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manqiangrexue said:
I honestly don't. I know Japanese in real life. They're outperformed by their Chinese peers at work. They see their Chinese classmates take top spots in all STEM classes. When we interact, there is nothing they are better than us at. When I was in University, I used to go to the Shotokan/Kyokushin practices just to beat them (with control, not maliciously) with my Sanshou while following all Karate Kumite rules. I mean there is literally nothing they are better than us at. But we chat, eat together, drink together and I feel no arrogance in them at all. They turn on the news and see that China's economy grew by 5% while thiers shrank and America's went up 1.4%. They see that China has invented this and that and America attempts more sanctions after the last round failed. If they can see these things and believe the Chinese to be inferior then they are truly, for a lack of a better word, mentally retarded. The Japanese whom I've met, are not. They're not as accomplished as Chinese people on average, but they are far from mental retardation.

Yeah I see the pattern. You keep watching interviews supported by the US media.

That's your theory based on Youtube videos/theory. In real life, Hong Kong Roaches all gave up. And due to Chinese prowess in every field, we are respected as colleagues, often with jokes about Chinese people working too hard and being too smart. So, my real life experience with Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese suggest to me that they are not blinded by ignorant hate but understand very much that China's rise is unstoppable, it is supported by world-class thinkers, and they can only move around such a megatrend.

And how have you gained such a profound understanding of it?

True and I agree.

Boomers are about to die out so I don't care.

I've never seen or heard of this in any modern Japanese person. How low must someone's IQ be to think this dispite China being superior to Japan in every way nationally? Even on a person to person level, Chinese people in the US typically outperform their Japanese counterparts both in school and at work. They simply don't have anything that would even allow them to imagine being superior to Chinese people.

That's not going to happen. China does not commit atrocies like Israelis and Japanese. If Japan respects only power, which I agree with, it logically must respect a China that can displace American power which can easily dominate over Japanese power to no end. There is no counterlogic to this other than a mythical supposition that the Japanese only understand brutality followed by a fantastical desire to see China torture and murder Japanese civilians.
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While I do whole heartedly and logically agree with what you wrote, what @tamsen_ikard and @56860 contentions/arguments that as an example people in Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan don't really engage in REALITY but stubbornly clung or clings to the false and dangerously wrong perception that China's achievements were made DUE TO CHEATING and not because of CHINESE INGENUITY OR INNOVATIVENESS. The Chinese superb infrastructures ARE ALL MADE OF TOFU LIKE QUALITY based on intentional distortions and overhyping some of China's prior failures in construction; that it's MILITARY TECH AND FORCES are both FEARED AND CARICATURED as nothing more than for show are sure indications that AMERICAN LED PROPAGANDA have subverted and warped the mindsets of the people in those countries including Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

I mean, take the clear example of the Philippines, why the heck do you think that country is hell bent on provoking a country that's CHINA who's clearly WAY OUT OF THE PHILIPPINES CAPABALITY in every meaning of the word? Their misplaced arrogance do not stem strictly from the delusional assumption that America will fight to the death, no, the arrogance comes from the FILIPINOS WILFULL IGNORANCE of the reality, accomplishments of the Chinese nation. The reason for this is through the absence of ACCURATE, OBJECTIVE REPORTING of what's transpired in China from the prior 4 decades. The Filipinos erroneous assumptions share the same perceptions and arrogance that Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and the Jai Hinds. All of that idiotic assumption is MOSTLY BASED on the MERE FACT THAT CHINA IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
 
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tygyg1111

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tamsen_ikard said:
Since you are resorting to personal attacks about reading comprehensions, I will not drag this discussion any further. I haven't heard anything of actual substance from you that supports your argument about how Japanese will become Chinese allies the moment China gets stronger than US. All I heard is personal anecdotes about how Japanese you met in real life have been nice to you. Everyone is nice to everyone in real life, especially in the work place. You will not find Pakistanis and Indians shouting and fighting each other in a work place that they both work.

So, other than your personal experience of how Japanese are nice to you, Do you have any actual evidence of Japanese people switching sides the moment China gets stronger than the US? Nope. But evidence is contrary to your thinking, Surveys show Japanese people are the most anti-China out of all countries in the world and their hatred against China is increasing each year. Actions of Japanese government of allying more with US, imposing sanctions and tech bans against China, or raising military budgets massively also are evidence of hardening Japanese anti-China actions.

But no, Japanese people in your workplace have been nice to you and are shocked by your performance. Thus, Japanese have been proven to be extremely rational and humble people who will switch side the moment they realize China is stronger. Yap.....I am convinced!
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Japan picks its fights, and knows when to 'bend the knee'. When it becomes apparent that their current path is untenable, I expect they will begrudgingly change tack, knowing there's no successful alternative.

E.g. Meiji era, post WW2
 
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CMP

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Bellum_Romanum said:
But my prior post DID NOT INFER NOR IMPLY SUCH RIDICOLOUS ASSERTION you're making. All I expressed and wondered why a person of her calibre and experience did not get the Ministerial role in Foreign Affairs based on her logic, calm, reasoning to an absurd charge. It just happened that the language used in that forum was in English. Would you have written your post if Fu Ying's remark was made in Chinese? Think about your response for a moment, reflect, and then comeback to me if you think you'd have written a similar observation.
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Agree to disagree. Your open admiration of her ability to debate successfully in English suggests you overvalue this skill relative to other ones relevant to such top roles. I don't hold it against you. It's likely a byproduct of your own frequent consumption of extremely hostile English language media.

Furthermore, others have mentioned her record of being soft on the West. She might be less corrupt than others, but I would prefer leaders that have it in them to successfully formulate or execute policies that benefit the Chinese civilization-state no matter the cost to the West. I am not confident she is that kind of person.

The fact that she spends her limited post-retirement time engaging in such wasteful activities as English language debates suggests she has her priorities wrong. I would peg her as a likely pro-West sympathizer. More interested in persuading them than in outmaneuvering them. Times have changed. Win-win is a nice ideal but the time for that has been unilaterally terminated by the West. All that's left is winner takes all. She does not fit that mold.

Would be interesting to see a complete list of the current locations, alma mater, and both previous + current employers/business partners of all her immediate and extended families (including inlaws). I believe that would go a long way to addressing the concern that she is soft on the West.

Lastly, being a woman does not mean she should be promoted over a man with a more impressive CV and skillset. Recent events certainly suggest CPC promotion criteria needs to become more robust and all-encompassing, but that does not inherently mean her closet is skeleton-free. If anything, I suspect she is compromised to a similar extent as other Chinese political elites, just perhaps not in a sexual way as Qin Gang.
 
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CMP

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Bellum_Romanum said:
But my prior post DID NOT INFER NOR IMPLY SUCH RIDICOLOUS ASSERTION you're making. All I expressed and wondered why a person of her calibre and experience did not get the Ministerial role in Foreign Affairs based on her logic, calm, reasoning to an absurd charge. It just happened that the language used in that forum was in English. Would you have written your post if Fu Ying's remark was made in Chinese? Think about your response for a moment, reflect, and then comeback to me if you think you'd have written a similar observation.
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CMP said:
Agree to disagree. Your open admiration of her ability to debate successfully in English suggests you overvalue this skill relative to other ones relevant to such top roles. I don't hold it against you. It's likely a byproduct of your own frequent consumption of extremely hostile English language media.

Furthermore, others have mentioned her record of being soft on the West. She might be less corrupt than others, but I would prefer leaders that have it in them to successfully formulate or execute policies that benefit the Chinese civilization-state no matter the cost to the West. I am not confident she is that kind of person.

The fact that she spends her limited post-retirement time engaging in such wasteful activities as English language debates suggests she has her priorities wrong. I would peg her as a likely pro-West sympathizer. More interested in persuading them than in outmaneuvering them. Times have changed. Win-win is a nice ideal but the time for that has been unilaterally terminated by the West. All that's left is winner takes all. She does not fit that mold.

Would be interesting to see a complete list of the current locations, alma mater, and both previous + current employers/business partners of all her immediate and extended families (including inlaws). I believe that would go a long way to addressing the concern that she is soft on the West.

Lastly, being a woman does not mean she should be promoted over a man with a more impressive CV and skillset. Recent events certainly suggest CPC promotion criteria needs to become more robust and all-encompassing, but that does not inherently mean her closet is skeleton-free. If anything, I suspect she is compromised to a similar extent as other Chinese political elites, just perhaps not in a sexual way as Qin Gang.
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To follow up even further, I often agree with most of what you say. I am not suggesting she is unqualified or incompetent, but nor am I convinced she is more qualified than other candidates. Not to mention others' suggestions that her age disqualified her. Given enough time and an equalized playing field, more women will naturally rise to the top. Hence it is more important to equalize the playing field than it is to forcefully elevate women to the top at the expense of other considerations.

That being said, I believe the West's virtual signalling on social issues has distorted your sense of priorities. There is no competition to see who can have more women at the top. Any efforts to do so at the expense of anything else would have real consequences. The West is the perfect case study for this.

Lastly, her track record in Philippines is certainly a pip in her collar, but that is a low stakes proving ground. It does not come as a shock to me that Qin Gang was promoted over her, despite his other critical indiscretions (assuming we take the rumors as fact). If anything, this only proves to me that the CPC's promotion committee (or equivalent) needs a stronger partnership with MSS's equivalent to an Internal Affairs department. The auditing of promotion candidates' private affairs needs to be more intrusive, invasive, and all-encompassing.
 
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