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manqiangrexue · Nov 1, 2023

tamsen_ikard said:
Japanese feel awesome and important. They will do anything to help US defeat China. Japanese feel Chinese are inferior and thus Chinese rise of any kind is a rise of an inferior people. They are also extremely afraid of China due to past Japanese atrocitie against China. You can count on Japan to be with US against China to the bitter end.

Japan and Australia are the forever enemies of China and will do anything to keep US dominance in the Pacific. One due to reasons mentioned above, the other due to white/settler country stuck in asia surrounded by huge Asian countries that are poor and weak now but could become powerful in the future.

First of all, that's not my question. My question was how Japan feels seeing the US fall from a country that boasts its unequivocal power and ability to protect its allies from their enemies to one that says it needs others to protect it from China.

Secondly, I don't think the Japanese feel the way you think at all. Japanese are characterized by insecure feelings, which is expected from a country that was defeated and militarily occupied. They may feel that the Chinese are rude and sometimes dirty, but they are under no illusion that the Chinese are inferior in any meaningful area such as intellect or innovative capacity. Before China's boom, they may have felt that way but Japanese are not a stupid people and they see the modern events happening today. They know that no country that can put the US on its back feet and into a panic can be an inferior people to anyone. Fear is their main emotion when dealing with China and one cannot fear something without respecting it.

I do not believe in any permanent bonds in international relations. Japan and Australia may side with the US when they perceive it to be the winning side but when China is in a place where the US cannot win, they will move over to China's side for the sake of survival. For Japan, it will be especially easy to get its population to hate the people that dropped 2 nuclear weapons on it an militarily occupied it for decades.

tamsen_ikard · Nov 1, 2023

manqiangrexue said:
First of all, that's not my question. My question was how Japan feels seeing the US fall from a country that boasts its unequivocal power and ability to protect its allies from their enemies to one that says it needs others to protect it from China.

Secondly, I don't think the Japanese feel the way you think at all. Japanese are characterized by insecure feelings, which is expected from a country that was defeated and militarily occupied. They may feel that the Chinese are rude and sometimes dirty, but they are under no illusion that the Chinese are inferior in any meaningful area such as intellect or innovative capacity. Before China's boom, they may have felt that way but Japanese are not a stupid people and they see the modern events happening today. They know that no country that can put the US on its back feet and into a panic can be an inferior people to anyone. Fear is their main emotion when dealing with China and one cannot fear something without respecting it.

I do not believe in any permanent bonds in international relations. Japan and Australia may side with the US when they perceive it to be the winning side but when China is in a place where the US cannot win, they will move over to China's side for the sake of survival. For Japan, it will be especially easy to get its population to hate the people that dropped 2 nuclear weapons on it an militarily occupied it for decades.

You should read more Japanese media and listen to actual Japanese people's interview about China. There are many out there on Youtube. For Japanese people, Chinese are unclean, dirty, unorganized and foolish. They are also completely mindless drones controlled by the CCP. Interestingly in the US, african-american people have the same stereotype in the eyes of the white majority.

Who else thinks that away about the Chinese? Taiwanese, South Koreans and Hong Kongers. You see a pattern here? Every country or region that were controlled by the west and who gained their wealth by being subordinate to the west consider Chinese to be inferior as people.

When people have such racist thinking about another people. They will do anything to prevent the so called inferior people to be in a position of dominance over them. Even if it is suicidal. Look at Hong kongers, China had absolute dominance in Hong Kong. But that didn't prevent Hong kongers from having the delusion that all they have to do is do huge violent protest and Chinese government would surrender to their demands. That China will be afraid of the Western sanctions or Somehow US will send their carriers to save them. They came up delusional ideas to inspire their people to fight against China.

I believe Japanese and Australians will be equally fanatical to fight China. Even if US is out of the picture they will become absolute fortresses like North Korea just to prevent China from having any kind of dominance over them.

56860 · Nov 1, 2023

manqiangrexue said:
First of all, that's not my question. My question was how Japan feels seeing the US fall from a country that boasts its unequivocal power and ability to protect its allies from their enemies to one that says it needs others to protect it from China.

Secondly, I don't think the Japanese feel the way you think at all. Japanese are characterized by insecure feelings, which is expected from a country that was defeated and militarily occupied. They may feel that the Chinese are rude and sometimes dirty, but they are under no illusion that the Chinese are inferior in any meaningful area such as intellect or innovative capacity. Fear is their main emotion when dealing with China and one cannot fear something without respecting it.

I do not believe in any permanent bonds in international relations. Japan and Australia may side with the US when they perceive it to be the winning side but when China is in a place where the US cannot win, they will move over to China's side for the sake of survival. For Japan, it will be especially easy to get its population to hate the people that dropped 2 nuclear weapons on it an militarily occupied it for decades.

You clearly don't understand Japanese culture or ideology.

Japanese enthusiastically kowtow to their american masters because they were so comprehensively defeated by US air power towards the end of the war. Japan as a culture and society only respect strength. To this day, there are jap boomers calling for a reinvasion of China to 'finish what they started'. In these people's minds, China is a defeated nation and Chinese people are natural slaves of the japanese.

For China to command respect from Japan, the PLA must enter Japan and reenact Nanjing in every Japanese city. Until this occurs, the relationship between China and Japan cannot be normalized.

Stierlitz · Nov 1, 2023

LA PAZ, Oct 31 (Reuters) - Bolivia said on Tuesday it had broken diplomatic ties with Israel because of its attacks on the Gaza Strip, while neighbors Colombia and Chile recalled their ambassadors to the Middle Eastern country for consultations.

The three South American nations lambasted Israel's attacks on Gaza and condemned the deaths of Palestinian citizens.

Bolivia "decided to break diplomatic relations with the Israeli state in repudiation and condemnation of the aggressive and disproportionate Israeli military offensive taking place in the Gaza Strip," Deputy Foreign Minister Freddy Mamani said at a press conference.

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manqiangrexue · Nov 1, 2023

tamsen_ikard said:
You should read more Japanese media and listen to actual Japanese people's interview about China. There are many out there on Youtube. For Japanese people, Chinese are unclean, dirty, unorganized and foolish. They are also completely mindless drones controlled by the CCP. Interestingly in the US, african-american people have the same stereotype in the eyes of the white majority.

I honestly don't. I know Japanese in real life. They're outperformed by their Chinese peers at work. They see their Chinese classmates take top spots in all STEM classes. When we interact, there is nothing they are better than us at. When I was in University, I used to go to the Shotokan/Kyokushin practices just to beat them (with control, not maliciously) with my Sanshou while following all Karate Kumite rules. I mean there is literally nothing they are better than us at. But we chat, eat together, drink together and I feel no arrogance in them at all. They turn on the news and see that China's economy grew by 5% while thiers shrank and America's went up 1.4%. They see that China has invented this and that and America attempts more sanctions after the last round failed. If they can see these things and believe the Chinese to be inferior then they are truly, for a lack of a better word, mentally retarded. The Japanese whom I've met, are not. They're not as accomplished as Chinese people on average, but they are far from mental retardation.

tamsen_ikard said:
Who else thinks that away about the Chinese? Taiwanese, South Koreans and Hong Kongers. You see a pattern here? Every country or region that were controlled by the west and who gained their wealth by being subordinate to the west consider Chinese to be inferior as people.

Yeah I see the pattern. You keep watching interviews supported by the US media.

tamsen_ikard said:
When people have such racist thinking about another people. They will do anything to prevent the so called inferior people to be in a position of dominance over them. Even if it is suicidal. Look at Hong kongers, China had absolute dominance in Hong Kong. But that didn't prevent Hong kongers from having the delusion that all they have to do is do huge violent protest and Chinese government would surrender to their demands. That China will be afraid of the Western sanctions or Somehow US will send their carriers to save them. They came up delusional ideas to inspire their people to fight against China.

I believe Japanese and Australians will be equally fanatical to fight China. Even if US is out of the picture they will become absolute fortresses like North Korea just to prevent China from having any kind of dominance over them.

That's your theory based on Youtube videos/theory. In real life, Hong Kong Roaches all gave up. And due to Chinese prowess in every field, we are respected as colleagues, often with jokes about Chinese people working too hard and being too smart. So, my real life experience with Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese suggest to me that they are not blinded by ignorant hate but understand very much that China's rise is unstoppable, it is supported by world-class thinkers, and they can only move around such a megatrend.

56860 said:
You clearly don't understand Japanese culture or ideology.

And how have you gained such a profound understanding of it?

56860 said:
Japanese enthusiastically kowtow to their american masters because they were so comprehensively defeated by US air power towards the end of the war. Japan as a culture and society only respect strength.

True and I agree.

56860 said:
To this day, there are jap boomers calling for a reinvasion of China to 'finish what they started'.

Boomers are about to die out so I don't care.

56860 said:
In these people's minds, China is a defeated nation and Chinese people are natural slaves of the japanese.

I've never seen or heard of this in any modern Japanese person. How low must someone's IQ be to think this dispite China being superior to Japan in every way nationally? Even on a person to person level, Chinese people in the US typically outperform their Japanese counterparts both in school and at work. They simply don't have anything that would even allow them to imagine being superior to Chinese people.

56860 said:
For China to command respect from Japan, the PLA must enter Japan and reenact Nanjing in every Japanese city. Until this occurs, the relationship between China and Japan cannot be normalized.

That's not going to happen. China does not commit atrocies like Israelis and Japanese. If Japan respects only power, which I agree with, it logically must respect a China that can displace American power which can easily dominate over Japanese power to no end. There is no counterlogic to this other than a mythical supposition that the Japanese only understand brutality followed by a fantastical desire to see China torture and murder Japanese civilians.

tamsen_ikard · Nov 1, 2023

manqiangrexue said:
I honestly don't. I know Japanese in real life. They're outperformed by their Chinese peers at work. They see their Chinese classmates take top spots in all STEM classes. When we interact, there is nothing they are better than us at. But we chat, eat together, drink together and I feel no arrogance in them at all. They turn on the news and see that China's economy grew by 5% while thiers shrank and America's went up 1.4%. They see that China has invented this and that and America attempts more sanctions after the last round failed. If they can see these things and believe the Chinese to be inferior then they are truly, for a lack of a better word, mentally retarded. The Japanese whom I've met, are not. They're not as accomplished as Chinese people on average, but they are far from mental retardation.

Yeah I see the pattern. You keep watching interviews supported by the US media.

That's your theory based on Youtube videos/theory. In real life, Hong Kong Roaches all gave up. And due to Chinese prowess in every field, we are respected as colleagues, often with jokes about Chinese people working too hard and being too smart. So, my real life experience with Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese suggest to me that they are not blinded by ignorant hate but understand very much that China's rise is unstoppable, it is supported by world-class thinkers, and they can only move around such a megatrend.

And how have you gained such a profound understanding of it?

True and I agree.

Boomers are about to die out so I don't care.

I've never seen or heard of this in any modern Japanese person. How low must someone's IQ be to think this dispite China being superior to Japan in every way nationally? Even on a person to person level, Chinese people in the US typically outperform their Japanese counterparts both in school and at work.

That's not going to happen. China does not commit atrocies like Israelis and Japanese. If Japan respects only power, which I agree with, it logically must respect a China that can displace American power. There is no counterlogic to this other than a mythical supposition followed by a fantastical desire to see China torture and murder Japanese civilians.

Haha, because of your way of thinking that I always suggest to read extremely hostile anti-China forums, media and other sources. Because once you read those sources you actually encounter a reality that you could not concieve. That is How foolish and delusional people can be when they encounter a situation that goes against their standard notion of who is superior and who is inferior.

Do you know who are the biggest haters of China's rise? Chinese people and Chinese culture? Do you know who are the biggest worshippers or US and Japanese superiority over the Chinese?
The answer to all these questions are: Chinese themselves.

Don't believe me? Go read reddit subs China_irl, real_China_irl and website pincong.rocks. These are massive websites composed of several hundred thousand to several million users. And these are Chinese language websites.

You will find absolute delusional thinking in these places from actual Chinese people who speak Chinese. All the ideas you read in Western media about China collapse theory, Debt trap diplomacy, Chinese people cannot innovate, Chinese people copy everything and so on. Do you know what is the source of all these delusional takes about China? The so called Chinese liberals, Rebels, self-haters.

Chinese themselves come up with various theories to play down any kind of Chinese achievement. Then they discuss these with Westerners. Who then publish in the English language media.

Any kind of Chinese achievement. Whether its space, technology, military, economy you name it. You will find arguments and theories from these websites how all of these fake or insignificant or just copied or stolen.

Japanese and other people with similar delusional ideas about western superiority and Chinese inferiority are simply an extension of the same thinking actually.

O BTW, Chinese people working too hard or being too smart? Well they think its because of this that Chinese people are not having babies and thus will collapse as society soon due to aging. Or Chinese people are lying flat and no longer want to work hard. Or Chinese society is too materialistic and they will eat each other due to extreme money greed.

There are hundreds of theories to explain away all the Chinese successes and show them as actually failures and weaknesses.

The reason I am explaining all of this to you is this. Wake up!! China's rise may be inevitable. But don't assume that it will be easy and people will not fight it. No. Japanese, Taiwanese, Americans, Austrialians will fight tooth and nail to prevent China's rise. Some will become absolute suicidals maniacs to stop China's rise. Even if they can't fight it with an army, they will fight it with terrorism and suicide bombing if needed.

coolgod · Nov 1, 2023

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Good interview with Balazs Orban, political director of Hungary PM.

抛弃自由主义可能会成为世界稳定的粘合剂

李波：2022年11月，当约翰·米尔斯海默访问匈牙利时，你在推特上写道：“其实我们需要更多像他这样头脑冷静的现实主义者，让世界变得更美好、更安全”。但随后有人在大西洋彼岸发怒了。我们知道是弗朗西斯·福山（Francis Fukuyama），他指责米尔斯海默实际上正在从现实主义者的立场转向MAGA（让美国再次伟大）的立场。然后你回答他说：“也许，比起停留在一个地方，就像历史的终结一样，这仍然是一个更好的位置。”在观察者网上看到你们交火，我们都笑了。在这一点上，我们的看法完全一致。

我的问题是，我们实际上生活在后自由主义时代，福山时代已经过去了。我们都观察到了世界上很多地方出现了传统主义的回归或复兴趋势，中国也是如此。我们正在讨论如何将中国的社会主义与我们的传统文化优秀遗产相融合，这是习近平主席非常重要的提法。在话语讨论中我们称之为“第二个结合”。但是如何能够让世界上不同的保守主义力量之间展开国际合作，更好的联合起来与世界上的自由派进行斗争？您是否有一些建议，或者设想过某种历史的或者未来的模式？

An interesting part is when the Guancha interviewer asks Balazs how to unite all the anti-liberal countries in the world together.

manqiangrexue · Nov 1, 2023

tamsen_ikard said:
Haha, because of your way of thinking that I always suggest to read extremely hostile anti-China forums, media and other sources. Because once you read those sources you actually encounter a reality that you could not concieve. That is How foolish and delusional people can be when they encounter a situation that goes against their standard notion of who is superior and who is inferior.

Do you know who are the biggest haters of China's rise? Chinese people and Chinese culture? Do you know who are the biggest worshippers or US and Japanese superiority over the Chinese?
The answer to all these questions are: Chinese themselves.

Don't believe me? Go read reddit subs China_irl, real_China_irl and website pincong.rocks. These are massive websites composed of several hundred thousand to several million users. And these are Chinese language websites.

You will find absolute delusional thinking in these places from actual Chinese people who speak Chinese. All the ideas you read in Western media about China collapse theory, Debt trap diplomacy, Chinese people cannot innovate, Chinese people copy everything and so on. Do you know what is the source of all these delusional takes about China? The so called Chinese liberals, Rebels, self-haters.

Chinese themselves come up with various theories to play down any kind of Chinese achievement. Then they discuss these with Westerners. Who then publish in the English language media.

Any kind of Chinese achievement. Whether its space, technology, military, economy you name it. You will find arguments and theories from these websites how all of these fake or insignificant or just copied or stolen.

Japanese and other people with similar delusional ideas about western superiority and Chinese inferiority are simply an extension of the same thinking actually.

O BTW, Chinese people working too hard or being too smart? Well they think its because of this that Chinese people are not having babies and thus will collapse as society soon due to aging. Or Chinese people are lying flat and no longer want to work hard. Or Chinese society is too materialistic and they will eat each other due to extreme money greed.

There are hundreds of theories to explain away all the Chinese successes and show them as actually failures and weaknesses.

Let's not mix things up. There's no need to explain to me how the West or West-worshipping Chinese put America on a pedistal and downplay all of China's achievments. I am familiar with all of them.

I am not familiar, however, with Japanese forums though I have met Japanese people in real life. From what I've seen, they are a people without pride, characterized by resignation, content to just live their lives and want to achieve nothing more. They have the most mellow personalities and least offensive demeanor. Because of this, they typically lack the drive to be truly excellent, though they are usually much better off than average in the US simply because they can follow rules and are backed by that East Asian intellect.

Now you're telling me they are arrogant, hateful, aggressive and incredibly stupid... all because the internet led you to believe so. They'd rather die a sidekick of the master who brutalized them than live a normal prosperous life, not even under China but as a truly independent Asian nation. I'm not going to turn on Google translate and dig through Japanese versions of Reddit or whatnot; I have way more important things to do with my time, even when compared only to other things I can research online. I'm not inclined to believe you... or the other user who recommended a genocide against the Japanese. If they are really that stupid, which I find impossibly hard to believe, they won't be difficult to dispatch anyway when/if needed. You believe what you want; my life experience leads me to believe otherwise.

tygyg1111 · Nov 1, 2023

tamsen_ikard said:
Haha, because of your way of thinking that I always suggest to read extremely hostile anti-China forums, media and other sources. Because once you read those sources you actually encounter a reality that you could not concieve. That is How foolish and delusional people can be when they encounter a situation that goes against their standard notion of who is superior and who is inferior.

Do you know who are the biggest haters of China's rise? Chinese people and Chinese culture? Do you know who are the biggest worshippers or US and Japanese superiority over the Chinese?
The answer to all these questions are: Chinese themselves.

Don't believe me? Go read reddit subs China_irl, real_China_irl and website pincong.rocks. These are massive websites composed of several hundred thousand to several million users. And these are Chinese language websites.

You will find absolute delusional thinking in these places from actual Chinese people who speak Chinese. All the ideas you read in Western media about China collapse theory, Debt trap diplomacy, Chinese people cannot innovate, Chinese people copy everything and so on. Do you know what is the source of all these delusional takes about China? The so called Chinese liberals, Rebels, self-haters.

Chinese themselves come up with various theories to play down any kind of Chinese achievement. Then they discuss these with Westerners. Who then publish in the English language media.

Any kind of Chinese achievement. Whether its space, technology, military, economy you name it. You will find arguments and theories from these websites how all of these fake or insignificant or just copied or stolen.

Japanese and other people with similar delusional ideas about western superiority and Chinese inferiority are simply an extension of the same thinking actually.

O BTW, Chinese people working too hard or being too smart? Well they think its because of this that Chinese people are not having babies and thus will collapse as society soon due to aging. Or Chinese people are lying flat and no longer want to work hard. Or Chinese society is too materialistic and they will eat each other due to extreme money greed.

There are hundreds of theories to explain away all the Chinese successes and show them as actually failures and weaknesses.

The reason I am explaining all of this to you is this. Wake up!! China's rise may be inevitable. But don't assume that it will be easy and people will not fight it. No. Japanese, Taiwanese, Americans, Austrialians will fight tooth and nail to prevent China's rise. Some will become absolute suicidals maniacs to stop China's rise. Even if they can't fight it with an army, they will fight it with terrorism and suicide bombing if needed.

I am not too concerned about the extreme anti-China Chinese. Their 'influence' now is only possible because they align with the US's current objectives. Once their use fades, or they become more nuisance than use, they will be discarded with disdain just as Zelensky will be. Falun Gong / Epoch Times is a good example.

These people have, do, and will exist at any time in history, and can only cause effects greater than general nuisance when propped up, supported and/or armed by an external enemy. In the absence of such an enemy, the vast majority won't have any power to do much damage, while those that could are either monitored, neutralized or exiled.

There may be millions, or tens of millions, but as a percentage of the overall Chinese population they are a minuscule defect rate.

tamsen_ikard · Nov 1, 2023

manqiangrexue said:
Let's not mix things up. There's no need to explain to me how the West or West-worshipping Chinese put America on a pedistal and downplay all of China's achievments. I am familiar with all of them.

I am not familiar, however, with Japanese forum though I have met Japanese people in real life. From what I've seen, they are a people without pride, characterized by resignation, content to just live their lives and nothing more. They have the most mellow personalities and least offensive demeanor. Because of this, they typically lack the drive to be truly excellent, though they are usually much better off than average in the US simply because they follow rules and have East Asian intellect.

Now you're telling me they are racist, hateful, stupid, and aggressive, all because the internet led you to believe so. They'd rather die a sidekick of the master who brutalized them than live a normal prosperous life, not even under China but as a truly independent Asian nation. I'm not going to turn on Google translate and dig through Japanese versions of Reddit or whatnot; I have way more important things to do with my time, even when compared only to other things I can research online. I'm not inclined to believe you... or the other user who recommended a genocide against the Japanese. You believe what you want; my life experience leads me to believe otherwise.

Well, people live by their pre-created imaginary world regardless of all the evidence against it and they come up with more and more delusional theories to keep their imaginary world intact. You are I guess one of them who has refused to see reality.

Well, your fate is to get shocked again and again as China gets attacked by US with sanctions, tech bans, military provocations and you keep seeing Japan, Australia and other countries supporting it.

Japan becomes more and more aggressively anti-China and rearms massively. The more stronger China gets in the future, the more Japan will become even stronger US ally. In fact, instead of being advocates of peace, you will find Japan to be an advocate of an early war to stop China now before it becomes too strong. This is no different from how Lithuania, baltic states and Poland are more Pro-US than Americans themselves. That they want to fight Russia now with everything they got plus Nato. if only US had a bigger spine.

Its your destiny to be shocked again and again as China gets attacked in various ways by these neighbouring countries. And you will keep thinking, why are they being so foolish to attack China and ally with US when China is their biggest trade partner, biggest customer and bla bla. You rational logic will not make sense. That's when you will understand how people can lose all rationality and become suicidal just to fight what they hate.

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