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luosifen

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Former Canadian PM Jean Chretien in China:


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China-Canada ties date back to well before the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1970. The two highly complementary economies cooperate in many fields from trade to climate change. Jean Chretien is the former prime minister of Canada. He has been working with many Chinese leaders from different generations to promote the relationship between the two countries. Now that China and Canada are experiencing some obstacles in the relationship, Chretien argues that complex geopolitical disputes simply need people-to-people exchanges to break through the impasse. Chretien worked hard during his premiership to nurture China-Canada ties, visiting China six times and meeting the Chinese president 17 times. Now the Chretien family is intimately connected with China, with Chretien's grandson Olivier Desmarais chairing the Canada China Business Council. Recently I had a talk with Chretien while he was traveling with four generations of his family in Beijing.
 

CMP

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Former Canadian PM Jean Chretien in China:


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China-Canada ties date back to well before the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1970. The two highly complementary economies cooperate in many fields from trade to climate change. Jean Chretien is the former prime minister of Canada. He has been working with many Chinese leaders from different generations to promote the relationship between the two countries. Now that China and Canada are experiencing some obstacles in the relationship, Chretien argues that complex geopolitical disputes simply need people-to-people exchanges to break through the impasse. Chretien worked hard during his premiership to nurture China-Canada ties, visiting China six times and meeting the Chinese president 17 times. Now the Chretien family is intimately connected with China, with Chretien's grandson Olivier Desmarais chairing the Canada China Business Council. Recently I had a talk with Chretien while he was traveling with four generations of his family in Beijing.
The Chretien extended family still has a strong seat at the table in business, but it appears that their political influence over the Liberal party has waned significantly. I say this because it seems they have not been in a position to steer the current leading turd (Turd-eau) away from self-destructive policies.
 

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While I do whole heartedly and logically agree with what you wrote, what @tamsen_ikard and @56860 contentions/arguments that as an example people in Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan don't really engage in REALITY but stubbornly clung or clings to the false and dangerously wrong perception that China's achievements were made DUE TO CHEATING and not because of CHINESE INGENUITY OR INNOVATIVENESS. The Chinese superb infrastructures ARE ALL MADE OF TOFU LIKE QUALITY based on intentional distortions and overhyping some of China's prior failures in construction; that it's MILITARY TECH AND FORCES are both FEARED AND CARICATURED as nothing more than for show are sure indications that AMERICAN LED PROPAGANDA have subverted and warped the mindsets of the people in those countries including Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

I mean, take the clear example of the Philippines, why the heck do you think that country is hell bent on provoking a country that's CHINA who's clearly WAY OUT OF THE PHILIPPINES CAPABALITY in every meaning of the word? Their misplaced arrogance do not stem strictly from the delusional assumption that America will fight to the death, no, the arrogance comes from the FILIPINOS WILFULL IGNORANCE of the reality, accomplishments of the Chinese nation. The reason for this is through the absence of ACCURATE, OBJECTIVE REPORTING of what's transpired in China from the prior 4 decades. The Filipinos erroneous assumptions share the same perceptions and arrogance that Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and the Jai Hinds. All of that idiotic assumption is MOSTLY BASED on the MERE FACT THAT CHINA IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
Filipinos are a great example. Most Filipinos say Pinoy pride with their mouths. Yet do they behave with pinoy pride? We know the answer. So who is Pinoy Pride directed to? Inwards? No, every Filipino knows how the Philippines can be.

@ansy1968

In fact, most Filipinos don't actually hate China, based on surveys. Yet why is their government behaving in such an irrational way? Surely they must know that they are weaker and outcompeted right?

No, that's not how people think. Assuming that people think like that is foolish. What most Filipinos think is Philippines + US is a single unit, and US achievements are their achievements as a core US ally with a MDT. That is Pinoy pride. They believe themselves to be the #1 sidekick and friend of the US, that is their pride.

Is it right or wrong? You can argue the facts but the facts are irrelevant because they behave as if it were true. So that's why the Philippines acts as if it had the US military- because it thinks it does.

What about Japan? Same thing. They don't see themselves as a sidekick. They don't even see themselves as losing WW2. The word 投降 or 战败 is never used by Japan in any document!!!

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《为万世开太平 倾总力于将来之建设》

(万世の為に太平を開く 総力を将来の建設に傾けん):昭和天皇决定终止战争

Japan regards WW2 as a ceasefire (终战) in exchange for switching sides, not as them being defeated. The document in Japanese and Chinese is 终战诏书 which is not actually a surrender document. Chiang allowed it out of pragmatism but as you can see it laid the groundwork for today's Japan.

You can see this from their visceral denial of war crimes and why they continue to visit Yasukuni despite Chinese and Korean protest: they won, right? How can the victors be questioned? How can the victors be denied the right to honor their heroes?
 

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Filipinos are a great example. Most Filipinos say Pinoy pride with their mouths. Yet do they behave with pinoy pride? We know the answer. So who is Pinoy Pride directed to? Inwards? No, every Filipino knows how the Philippines can be.

@ansy1968

In fact, most Filipinos don't actually hate China, based on surveys. Yet why is their government behaving in such an irrational way? Surely they must know that they are weaker and outcompeted right?

No, that's not how people think. Assuming that people think like that is foolish. What most Filipinos think is Philippines + US is a single unit, and US achievements are their achievements as a core US ally with a MDT. That is Pinoy pride. They believe themselves to be the #1 sidekick and friend of the US, that is their pride.

Is it right or wrong? You can argue the facts but the facts are irrelevant because they behave as if it were true. So that's why the Philippines acts as if it had the US military- because it thinks it does.

What about Japan? Same thing. They don't see themselves as a sidekick. They don't even see themselves as losing WW2. The word 投降 or 战败 is never used by Japan in any document!!!

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《为万世开太平 倾总力于将来之建设》

(万世の為に太平を開く 総力を将来の建設に傾けん):昭和天皇决定终止战争

Japan regards WW2 as a ceasefire (终战) in exchange for switching sides, not as them being defeated. The document in Japanese and Chinese is 终战诏书 which is not actually a surrender document. Chiang allowed it out of pragmatism but as you can see it laid the groundwork for today's Japan.

You can see this from their visceral denial of war crimes and why they continue to visit Yasukuni despite Chinese and Korean protest: they won, right? How can the victors be questioned? How can the victors be denied the right to honor their heroes?
This is an insightful explanation of Filipino and Japanese psychology. They're in many ways detached from historical reality, and that will have real costs for them. Already has.
 

ansy1968

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@ansy1968

In fact, most Filipinos don't actually hate China, based on surveys. Yet why is their government behaving in such an irrational way? Surely they must know that they are weaker and outcompeted right?
Family Interest come first, we are an oligarchy society after all. ;)
No, that's not how people think. Assuming that people think like that is foolish. What most Filipinos think is Philippines + US is a single unit, and US achievements are their achievements as a core US ally with a MDT. That is Pinoy pride. They believe themselves to be the #1 sidekick and friend of the US, that is their pride.
Bro you got it exactly right, what are the similarities between Gollum and the Filipinos BOTH had a Precious problem...lol One is a ring the other is a Green Card.;)

Another Thing the so called Pinoy Pride is artificially design to perpetuate the current Oligarchy system. Its a contradiction, where are the pride when most of our dollar income come from our suffering OFW, how many children are malnourished? The left who used to advocate this socialism ideas had been coopted, the old guards had died and the new one studied at Ivy league school. So it beneath them to rally in the street and demand changes cause it may affect their career path.
Is it right or wrong? You can argue the facts but the facts are irrelevant because they behave as if it were true. So that's why the Philippines acts as if it had the US military- because it thinks it does.

What about Japan? Same thing. They don't see themselves as a sidekick. They don't even see themselves as losing WW2. The word 投降 or 战败 is never used by Japan in any document!!!

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《为万世开太平 倾总力于将来之建设》

(万世の為に太平を開く 総力を将来の建設に傾けん):昭和天皇决定终止战争

Japan regards WW2 as a ceasefire (终战) in exchange for switching sides, not as them being defeated. The document in Japanese and Chinese is 终战诏书 which is not actually a surrender document. Chiang allowed it out of pragmatism but as you can see it laid the groundwork for today's Japan.

You can see this from their visceral denial of war crimes and why they continue to visit Yasukuni despite Chinese and Korean protest: they won, right? How can the victors be questioned? How can the victors be denied the right to honor their heroes?
Bro the American practice Divide and Conquer during their occupation. Look at our Muslim insurgency, the US transplant many Christian settlers in Mindanao to pacify the Island during the early 1900. The similarities between the Israel -Palestinian and them are so stark that maybe the American formulate this strategy early on with lesson learn from the British. Another similarities is between the 1986 Edsa Revolution and the Orange Revolution, the Philippine are being used as a testing ground for the US hybrid war.
 
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