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MelianPretext

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I don't particularly care to navel-gaze at the specifics of the Syrian government or Iran or Russia's failings in this humanitarian debacle when there are seismic consequences for China itself that may not be immediately apparent to many. It's bad news for China, to put it plainly, if the Syrian government has truly fallen to this lot.

It's up there as one of the biggest losers of this Salafi-Jihadist takeover and I don't say this lightly. I expect the Turkish-backed jihadist contingent to ultimately come out on top in the claim for the Syrian government's former territory because they have the full undivided external resources and support of Turkey and as such this following analysis will be assessing through that scenario. One of the major constituent factions in the jihadist coalition set to take over Syria is the Uyghur jihadist terrorists, who were basically given the role of Wagner and the British Empire Gurkas, carving a bloodbath through whichever ethnic or religious civilian population the jihadist coalition unleashed them on. All of these deeply radicalized groups were contained in Idlib and now they have most of the country to themselves, including all the military materiel and resources (including the exploitation of Syrian oil just like how ISIS overtook Iraqi oil revenue) that the Syrian government, which has seemingly evaporated, will leave behind. Even if China can somehow negotiate with this "not-Al-Qaeda" government to kick those Uyghur jihadist factions to the side, which is both a hard task diplomatically and even harder to put any faith in if there is an agreement (especially if the West subsidizes the new regime in return for requiring its hostility towards China). The only agreement that China could trust is if they disappeared off the face of the earth and I doubt there is any chance China could convince the "not-Al-Qaeda" regime to put their Uyghur jihadist co-belligerents that they've been fighting with for a decade to the shooting squad.

Another thing is that this new regime has been incidentally hugging the Turkish border for a reason, they're Turkey's creation and Erdogan's blood transfusions to the jihadists have been the only reason why they exist and why the Syrian army hasn't been able to recapture Idlib. This new offensive, more successful than I'd say even Turkey and their jihadists could have expected, is entirely the doing of Erdogan. The Turkey angle is another reason why China is among those set to lose the most. This is a Turkish checkmate for China: China had deliberately been continually allocating billions in funding for Syria to develop the country for the BRI in spite of the fact that the country has been in war-torn anarchy for a decade. The reason why China stubborning kept up with this is because developing an Iran-Iraq-Syria BRI route will bypass Turkey. There is a reason why Erdogan has been clamoring about BRICS and SCO for years and yet China and Russia have tacitly shut the door to it, they understand that Turkey under Erdogan and under NATO alignment is fundamentally unreliable. This means that China's BRI in the Middle East will either have to pass through a Turkish-aligned "not-Al-Qaeda" Syrian regime or through Turkey to reach Europe.

Turkey had been pushing for a "Middle Corridor" of Turkmenistan-Azerbaijan-Turkey BRI route because while this would be satisfactory for China's BRI goals, war-torn countries like Iraq and Syria were actually still preferable for China compared to staking its vital trade route (which was designed as an Eurasian lifeline in case of maritime blockade) within a literal NATO territory like Turkey. Furthermore, the Middle Corridor is Erdogan's grand strategy of using China's trans-national infrastructure project to parasitically bind Azerbaijan and the Central Asian countries economically to Turkey for the sake of his "Pan-Turkic" fantasy. This fantasy will be given a boost for Erdogan's ego now that he will seemingly subordinate Syria as a Turkish lackey and it will now be something that China will be potentially entrapped to build for Erdogan. Extending the scope of Turkish influence into Central Asia through the Middle Corridor BRI route will inevitably also advance its cause of infiltrating Xinjiang. Still a fantasy so long as China maintains vigilance on its end but still it is undeniable this regional shift will advance it unless the "not-Al-Qaeda" regime breaks with Turkey and eliminates the Uyghur jihadist terrorists, which is quite unlikely. In any case, the Central-Asia/Pakistan-Iran-Iraq BRI option has been sunk for China and building the Middle Corridor is now seemingly a choice of no choice.

As for the West, it has seen how Salafi-Jihadists will target it and I doubt they will make the same mistake. Likely, they'll dangle funding and recognition of the new regime if the jihadists point their sights elsewhere. Trump's first presidency was when the Xinjiang atrocity propaganda was fully adopted by the US as state policy and so I expect he'd have quite some synergy of aims with Erdogan. China will do its utmost to make the best of the situation but this is indeed an unpleasant outcome for China.
 
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Now I get why China doesn't really intervene much. There's always a chance you pick a guy that has massive issues inherently and you basically have you spend so much money keeping him alive since he can't make it by himself. And when the cost is too much you have to bail out like this in a embarrassing manner.

The whole Global South thing sounds nice on paper until you realize its only a few countries doing the actual fighting and everyone else expecting them to do the work for them.

India is a prime example of how this can go wrong. They keep calling themselves the leader of the global south. So lets say a lot of countries start having issues and start going to India for help. Thats when you will see ugliness really coming out and will collapse this group quite fast.
Pretty much. It is not China's job to fix other people's cultures / countries. We learned from Bush's War on Terror how expensive, and ultimately futile, it is to try and force change on another civilization; so these days the Middle East is mainly just a proxy region for great powers' intelligence agencies and influence operations. The Great Game in the Middle East is now played on the cheap.

It's also why I've always emphasized and fixated on demographics. It's not China's business to change, save, or rule Arabs, and it shouldn't try to. Instead it should focus on bringing more Chinese into the world. Even if more Chinese don't always benefit China, at least there is the hope that they can be united towards a shared purpose, because of common heritage and cultural psychology. There is little hope of doing that for the so called Global South.
 

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SAA abandon Damascus will be the final nail to the coffin. They gave up Syria entirely.

Is this the fastest collapse we've seen around the world in the past 20 years? Did Assad leave Damascus yet?

Abandoning Damascus might be the only way to go. It is indefensible because there's no land connection from Damascus to the Mediterranean, where both the ports and the Alawite homeland is, other than through Homs.

Assad could probably do a last stand with his Republican Guard and Air Force in Tartus and Latakia, which is behind mountains with only a few roads in and out. He has a much better chance of surviving there than trying to hold positions in the desert. And even if he dies, his clan (with their military positions) should be doing a last stand.

The Republican Guard is 90% Alawite, and they're not going to be able to all flee with Assad, so it's that or... well, we've all seen or heard of the videos.

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"Zhuoran Li is a Ph.D. candidate in China studies and a research assistant at the School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), Johns Hopkins University. His work has been featured in The Diplomat and the National Interest, and he has appeared on Vox News.

Zhuoran Li is a Ph.D. candidate in China studies and a research assistant at the School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), Johns Hopkins University. He received his BA at the University of Virginia and MA at SAIS. His research interests include Chinese politics, Japanese politics, and East Asian security and diplomacy. His works have been featured in The Diplomat, SAIS China Studies Review, and the National Interest, and he has appeared on Vox News."

Why is he taking a Phd for China studies in US, instead of CN?
Because he looks like he have down syndrome
 

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Ahhh...this must be the SOFT ARAB POWER our dear @pmc has been yammering about all these years!!!
yes this is the practical demonstration of Arab Soft Power. and it will not be the last demonstration of it. Arab soft power has unlimted Wealth, Tech and Manpower behind it. Even China buys Iranian oil in Malaysia not that it matter since size of overall trade small.
Russia has that wiggle room for North-South Corridor due tremendous confidence on its Muslim population but That Soft Power warnings are indirect. Produce the demographic whose first and last priority is Russia land or else. why do you think Putin keep mentioning Russia women should have 8 to 10 children and largest meeting on demographics recently. Putin used Russian Jews to warn Iran not the Soft Power that is always in the background.
Iran was always a non entity and it could not deal with Taliban next door when its diplomats were smashed and it is same group even when non recognized present in Russia in higher profile.
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Putin called for creating conditions for a turnaround in the demographic situation in Russia in 2025​

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