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Why would china create another competitors that can threatening their economy in long term future?
I understand the sentiment but I don't fear India at all period; I actually pity them.
Instead of building up their economy by being humble and realistic with their current national comprehensive strength they're already playing pretend superpower, not to mention taking credit of establishing organizations like BRICS, SCO etc...when they're more than happy being hoisted as a then budding ally of the U.S. led west. What are they getting in return for cozying up to them you ask? Election interference, meddling in their political system, damaging their oligarch Ambani through a report alleging of the companies shady and bloated financial dealings.
Having said that, I much rather have an India that's growing economically as opposed to having an Indian economically retarded which will only be riped for more western influence and machinations.
A stronger India will at least be able to try and create its own pole that's wholly separate from China/Russia vs U.S. and it's vassals.
I don't understand for some of us here to punish India or even exact some sort of blood debt as a form of payback against their unhinged musings against China. China is that much ahead of India in every conceivable estimation from tech to politics. What's there to gain from beating up a frienemy with some benefits to a complete irredeemable enemy that China had to add on top of the struggle against U.S. and her vassals?
How so?
To be fair the west probably thought the same when they came to China for help in the 80s. They thought China would never be a real threat and now China might do what the USSR could never. crush the west using its own system against them. Something the USSR could never since they went for idealism over being pragmatic.
There is a difference though. The US had no issue trusting China since China just kept quiet and did it's job. The pressure from China would be one of the final blows to the USSR. Plus all that manufacturing kept the Capital holders from a profit line happy.
India on the other hand seems to be the opposite. Not only are they loudmouthed but they don't seem to contribute the value you expect given the large investments made. I can give money to a guy that insults me every second as long as he does the damn job properly in the end. I'm not giving it to a guy who does that but doesn't deliver but can give me a billion excuses for it. The only reason China is even at the table right now is because India is big so just maybe one day they might deliver something worthwhile simple coz of it size.
Since there are bigger fish to fry, there's no point wasting it excessively on India at the moment. But India is not entitled to anything from China either. They're the supapowah. They should figure it out themselves.
We all seen lord of the rings. Basically we have to accept Gollum (India) in to the party knowing he is not reliable and will probably betray us. In the end it was the right decision since Frodo failed at the last moment but Gollum was there to take the ring away, fall into the lava and destroy it (ironically it was his bad nature that allowed it to happen). But that's a fictional book in an ideal world not real life. Is it wise to gamble like this?
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I guess the writers are Browns fans
The missile development is TBD, but we can see that they are outpacing global capability in crappy CGI...
What's the worst case of a powerful India in the future? China is likely going to remain the dominant industrial power for the rest of this century and probably in the next as well. China won't repeat the western mistake of deindustrialization for the sake of short term profit. A powerful future India isn't going to march into China through the Himalayas. They might absorb Bangladesh and Pakistan, but they can't do serious harm to China unless China has a civil war or very poor governance. And a peer competitor in the future might be a good thing to avoid a Ming style isolation from global competition. One more mountain in Tibet makes no difference
It's much more important to keep India powerful enough today that it doesn't get overwhelmed by the west and can increase trade within the global south. If India collapsed into civil war, the west's share of global power would increase. India has an important role in trading with West Asia and raising non western share of global GDP. If they do it without even gaining industrial or technological leadership, they just provide a market for China and other non western countries. That'd be perfect.
As long as the border issue drives India into the arms of America, China is less safe than it would be otherwise. And India will spend energy opposing Chinese trade in western and central Asia, which is not helpful. A few worthless mountains, which can easily be taken back if required, are a cheap price for peace at the border
If India collapse then China share of power increases too. At least in BRICS China will not have to face India c*ckblocking. Also free the world from Hinduism may actually be a good thing.
There’s your error; the Indian elites lack strength of character hence their evident jealousy of China and desire to pull China down.
proelite
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Only China can pull China down.
From Chinese perspective, India really isn't that important or a major threat. And Pakistan is a huge reason for it. Having a nuclear armed neighbour with a better trained military that you're allied with helps china to focus on pressing issues in the Pacific, south china sea and the Taiwan strait where the military is needed more.
Historically, India has committed about 3/4th of their army near Pakistan border and the Line of control in Kashmir. This helps China to not commit their military in mass to India's border as India is already getting spread up
Historically, India has committed about 3/4th of their army near Pakistan border and the Line of control in Kashmir. This helps China to not commit their military in mass to India's border as India is already getting spread up