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mossen

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As long as the border issue drives India into the arms of America, China is less safe than it would be otherwise.

Think of it this way: India completely dependent on the US gives the West massive leverage, and in turn it limits India's strategic autonomy. Will Jai Hinds happily suffer under American hegemony? I don't think so. Because many Jai Hinds hate China so much, people forget that there is a deep anti-American sentiment among nationalist Hindus. It just got subsumed in recent years due to the border clashes.

If China can narrow India's strategic choices then it also clips the wings of India. Look at the current diplomatic spat with Canada/US. India suddenly found itself without allies. Or when the US ambassador to India recently told (lectured?) the Indians that they cannot have strategic autonomy. The Americans are talking down to the Indians with condescension because they know they can afford it.

For this reason, I suspect the Indians are more keen on normalisation than the Chinese are. They realised too late they made a mistake betting everything on the US. But what does China have to lose? People saying that China will now suddenly build up India are a bit deluded. The analogue with Western investment into China during the 1990s and early 2000s are completely off the mark. Even with a deal like this, there is deep distrust on both sides. This is just piecemeal de-escalation. I personally don't think relations will fully recover, but they can at least thaw a bit.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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China should just tolerate a growing fascist neighbouring country that has a repeated history of invading China. A few worthless hilly islands, and frozen waste land, which can easily be taken back if required, are a cheap price for peace at the border. What could go wrong? I'm talking about 1930s China of course.


Japan just absorbed Liuqiu and Korea, but they can't do serious harm to China unless China has a civil war or very poor governance. It's almost as if China has a history of recurrent civil wars in the past 5000 years, perhaps China should build an security environment that looks more than 10 years into the future.


Something something pan Asian union and Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Did you know China actually cheered on the Japs during the Russo-Japanese war, I'm sure sentiments like yours would have been common back then.


Early Chinese industrialists and pro Japanese factions thought the same thing, who doesn't love a market for Chinese goods?

The people trying to steal Xizang from China, are the same people who invaded Beijing over 100 years ago.
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You don't have to subscribe to offensive realism to see why India is a growing problem for China.



As much as we love our Pakistani brothers, we are severely disappointed in your performance. China cannot rely on Pakistan as the counterweight to India anymore.
If I were Japanese I would take umbridge for being compared to India. Just because India has musings of a superpower and grand ambitions of invading, absorbing Tibet into their fold does not mean it'll happen, let alone be achieved.

India's history has never ever showed any signs and accomplishments of conquest that would provide some sort of historical context to your theory.

Some of us here can't have our cake and eat it too when it comes to viewing India as either too weak or too strong/backstabber that'll somehow manage to weaken China. The only country and people capable of defeating China is the Chinese themselves, no one else. That is a statement of fact borne by history, from the eunuch led Ming, the Qing's idiotic arrogant assumptions about the world and the lack of outward focus that led to the shock and aftermath of the Opium War, Sino-Japanese War a result of which all of us are still reeling from to this day - TAIWAN.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Think of it this way: India completely dependent on the US gives the West massive leverage, and in turn it limits India's strategic autonomy. Will Jai Hinds happily suffer under American hegemony? I don't think so. Because many Jai Hinds hate China so much, people forget that there is a deep anti-American sentiment among nationalist Hindus. It just got subsumed in recent years due to the border clashes.

If China can narrow India's strategic choices then it also clips the wings of India. Look at the current diplomatic spat with Canada/US. India suddenly found itself without allies. Or when the US ambassador to India recently told (lectured?) the Indians that they cannot have strategic autonomy. The Americans are talking down to the Indians with condescension because they know they can afford it.

For this reason, I suspect the Indians are more keen on normalisation than the Chinese are. They realised too late they made a mistake betting everything on the US. But what does China have to lose? People saying that China will now suddenly build up India are a bit deluded. The analogue with Western investment into China during the 1990s and early 2000s are completely off the mark. Even with a deal like this, there is deep distrust on both sides. This is just piecemeal de-escalation. I personally don't think relations will fully recover, but they can at least thaw a bit.
Totally agree with all the points you made. All I can say is that some of our esteemed members here have let their emotions guide their thinking about geopolitics. It's a dirty f..ng business. There's no time for sentimentality.
 

Overbom

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India smelled the coffee that US won't allow a second China to happen.

However India will soon realise that China is even more brutal than US on strategic policies. It will allow India to get access to more technologies only to find itself even more embedded into the Chinese supply chain ecosystem. The more Chinese tech it builds upon, the more dependencies. Kill them by kindness style
 

FriedButter

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Only way for Trump to lose is 1) if the Dems finally hire a competent hitman or 2) stuff the ballots with illegals or dead people.
Remember it's not the voting, but the counting that counts.

Michigan is saying they won’t finish counting the ballots until Nov 6. The election is on Nov 4 except there is no pandemic excuse. If this was happening anywhere else of a similar nature that the US disliked. They would be launching a sanction offensive and blitz on a PR propaganda campaign.

 
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