Miscellaneous News

4

4Tran

Junior Member
Registered Member
tamsen_ikard said:
Fear of nuclear proliferation cannot be the reason China allows India with 1.4 billion hostiles to exist. India's superpower delusions ensure they will continue to be a huge threat to China. Its too big and if it gets good at anything, it will be a huge threat.

Nuclear risks can be managed by heavy international pressure to supply all the nukes to only one state. This is how it was done with soviet union breakup. It can be done again.
Click to expand...
Under the BJP India will never become a superpower so it can't be that much of a threat. It would have to undertake massive reforms and probably a change in government system before it ever attained that status. On the other hand, a fragmented India carries with it a lot of chaos and uncertainty, and these are the things that China truly cannot abide by. Even if imposing such a state without war or worldwide condemnation were possible, I doubt China would go for it.

And even if it were deemed a desirable goal, China would refrain because it's so against their style.

Randomuser said:
View attachment 159189

I couldn't find the best thread for this so I post it here.

I realized two things:

Military and business should not mix or at least keep stuff at arm's length


Market Capitalization is probably gonna go the way of bad metrics. The amount of overvalued companies that have little fundamental value is getting out of hand. I know we crap on HAL but yet look at it's market cap! Investors are high on its "potential" hence they keep throwing money at it. It's even high than the company that made rafales!
Click to expand...
I think that this chart is very illustrative, but not in the way the people making it think. For a country, its military industry serves one primary purpose: to develop and make weapons that strengthen its military. For private military contractors under the Western model, the primary purpose of the military industry is to put as much public funds as possible into their own pockets. What could go wrong?

Oh, and why the hell is this chart counted up wrong? I see 2 Chinese and 2 Indian companies, but the Asia-Pacific total is 3, and there should be 8 American and 8 European companies. Is this the where the state of American education is nowadays?
 
Nevermore

Nevermore

Junior Member
Registered Member
4Tran said:
Under the BJP India will never become a superpower so it can't be that much of a threat. It would have to undertake massive reforms and probably a change in government system before it ever attained that status. On the other hand, a fragmented India carries with it a lot of chaos and uncertainty, and these are the things that China truly cannot abide by. Even if imposing such a state without war or worldwide condemnation were possible, I doubt China would go for it.

And even if it were deemed a desirable goal, China would refrain because it's so against their style.


I think that this chart is very illustrative, but not in the way the people making it think. For a country, its military industry serves one primary purpose: to develop and make weapons that strengthen its military. For private military contractors under the Western model, the primary purpose of the military industry is to put as much public funds as possible into their own pockets. What could go wrong?

Oh, and why the hell is this chart counted up wrong? I see 2 Chinese and 2 Indian companies, but the Asia-Pacific total is 3, and there should be 8 American and 8 European companies. Is this the where the state of American education is nowadays?
Click to expand...
I remain wary of India's industrialization pace. With the world's largest and youngest population, the entire Western world is now trying to build a second super manufacturing hub in India. Looking at India's manufacturing PMI over the past few years, it is clear that India's manufacturing sector in the 2020s and 2030s will be completely different from what it has been over the past 20 years.
 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
resistance said:
I mean that china should seized the opertunity to inflicted irreversible damage upon India. I can ensure that china and India will never be friendship but eternal enemies. I'd rather offer trump to let china took part for punishing India for trump. Trump would be happy
Click to expand...
I think you might underestimate what irreversible damage is. Even Japanese attack on China in WW2 wasn't irreversible. It has been reversed, after all. And China can't and shouldn't do that to India.

Minor setbacks only become irreversible to fragile countries. India is not fragile. Fragile is different than weak. India is weak, but like a pile of mud, it is resilient.

1980s Japan was rich, but brittle, like a vase. It cracked at the first pressure.

China is both strong and resilient, like a block of steel reinforced concrete.

Don't mistake India for Japan, it would be just a big of a mistake as US mistaking China for Japan.
 
Randomuser

Randomuser

Captain
Registered Member
Nevermore said:
I remain wary of India's industrialization pace. With the world's largest and youngest population, the entire Western world is now trying to build a second super manufacturing hub in India. Looking at India's manufacturing PMI over the past few years, it is clear that India's manufacturing sector in the 2020s and 2030s will be completely different from what it has been over the past 20 years.
Click to expand...
You know people were mocking Trump for using the same guys from the 1980s who Plaza Accorded Japanto do the same thing to China. They said how can you use the same tactics again?

Turns out it's not just Trump but the west. Like they are using the same guys from the 1980s to hope to repeat China's success story in India despite the fact it's 2025 and we are already automating so much away.

India figures improve but so do many other countries. That's why we have a benchmark to see who is over/underperforming. I believe it's manufacturing % of GDP has actually regressed.We know Vietnam is a big player but it's smaller than India in size. However I'm thinking due to modern technology these days, can even something like Vietnam make similar level output despite being smaller? After all you can have the world's largest workforce but maybe a lot of them simply won't be employable coz frankly there's no need for them.
 
Breadbox

Breadbox

Junior Member
Registered Member
Nevermore said:
I remain wary of India's industrialization pace. With the world's largest and youngest population, the entire Western world is now trying to build a second super manufacturing hub in India. Looking at India's manufacturing PMI over the past few years, it is clear that India's manufacturing sector in the 2020s and 2030s will be completely different from what it has been over the past 20 years.
Click to expand...
The west really is incapable of doing anything other than the most predictable neoliberal thing in the world.

The people and reactionaries elements of the leadership are unhappy they are only making most of the money instead of all the money, so they outsource even more of their industry to a second country to 'counter' the first despite the latter not being any more accomodating to their gaslighting than the first.

This is the mainstream western "strategy" btw, I hope their reactionaries and proles finally snap hang them on the streetlamps.
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

Captain
Registered Member
Randomuser said:
View attachment 159189

I couldn't find the best thread for this so I post it here.

I realized two things:

Military and business should not mix or at least keep stuff at arm's length


Market Capitalization is probably gonna go the way of bad metrics. The amount of overvalued companies that have little fundamental value is getting out of hand. I know we crap on HAL but yet look at it's market cap! Investors are high on its "potential" hence they keep throwing money at it. It's even high than the company that made rafales!
Click to expand...
Wow, HAL and Bharat Electronics have higher market cap valuation than Leonardo, Saab, Dassault, Kongsberg, AVIC, CSSC, and Elbit. HAL alone have more than USD10B bigger valuation over AVIC Shenyang, and they are not even producing any 5th gen jets.

Jai Hind!
 
T

TPenglake

Junior Member
Registered Member
Nevermore said:
I remain wary of India's industrialization pace. With the world's largest and youngest population, the entire Western world is now trying to build a second super manufacturing hub in India. Looking at India's manufacturing PMI over the past few years, it is clear that India's manufacturing sector in the 2020s and 2030s will be completely different from what it has been over the past 20 years.
Click to expand...
What changed? Only thing I can see is that Made in India was announced in 2014, fast forward a decade later, manufactering is still only 14% of India's economy and India's own demographic dividend is starting to disappear. That's on top of the current tariffs Trump has levied on the country.
 
4

4Tran

Junior Member
Registered Member
Nevermore said:
I remain wary of India's industrialization pace. With the world's largest and youngest population, the entire Western world is now trying to build a second super manufacturing hub in India. Looking at India's manufacturing PMI over the past few years, it is clear that India's manufacturing sector in the 2020s and 2030s will be completely different from what it has been over the past 20 years.
Click to expand...
This feels like it's reading too much from the BJP's narrative. First off, the whole thing about India's demographic advantage is an illusion. Most of those young people are uneducated and work on unproductive farms. Of the rest, women barely figure into the labor force, and most workers are undereducated. Next, quality control on a lot of Indian manufacturing processes is spotty and the supply chains are very weak. Much of India's improvements in this sector come from getting industrial inputs and doing final assembly in India. It's why China has a $100B trade surplus with India.

Finally, I wouldn't read too much into GDP gains in India. These numbers are being massaged by the BJP to make themselves look better. One of the tricks I've heard of is that they would take the number of kilometers of road constructed, multiply that by the number of lanes and report that number as economic output. It's all smoke and mirrors because India doesn't want to put effort into the basic infrastructure and education. Until then, India might still be a regional power, but it'll never be a threat to a superpower.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top