Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

broadsword

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

While I have little knowledge with computers and even less with the M.S flight simulater, Im thinking that perhaps the pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah had a more sophisticated setup. He might even have a copy of the proper Boeing 777 simulator program. If there was a plot to hijack an aircraft and fly it somewhere and Zaharie was involved, I,m thinking that he would use the simulator to practise flying and landing at their destination, and taking off afterwards as well.

I don't believe he was involved in a plot to hijack the aircraft and landing in an airport. He could be forced, which might account for the deviation in flying altitude. My conjecture is either he or the co-pilot took over the cockpit. Outside, no one knew what was happening.

I don't think he could find a decent airport to land safely at night, one that was lit and still NOT connected to the outside world. Wherever he flew to it during the 5 to 7 hours was pitch black. Most likely, the jet plunged into the ocean, taking with it the lives of everyone on board.
 

T-U-P

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Just a thought, if this was a planned terrorism attack, and the plane was indeed hijacked by terrorists and landed at an unknown terrorist base. What are the chances that they would plan for enough provisions for all that 200+ people on board and keep them alive for weeks? I don't think this scenario would end any better for the passengers than if it had simply crashed into the ocean.
 

SampanViking

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Which I would say makes it then highly unlikely.
Terrorists would have done what ever they had intended to do by now and we would all know about it. If they were Uighers, all they had to do to strike a blow would be to let the plane continue on its planned route to Beijing. Why change that? what is the benefit?

Its the absence that is telling in this story:
No wreckage
No distress
No demands
No interest by Malay Civil or Military Authorities during the event!
 
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Switching gears for a moment and actually getting back on topic for the main purpose of our forum, I think this event starkly demonstrates China's status as a second rate developing power, without sufficient capability to keep track of, not to mention protect its mundane interests. The minimum takeaway for China from this event should be to boost its satellite surveillance capabilities.
 

joshuatree

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The military official did not actually say the military radar detected an aircraft flying across the peninsula. It was not that clear cut. What he said was that there was a possibility of the MH370 turning back and that the military radar last plotted an aircraft flying off the north west coast of Penang. As for why a scrambling was not done, an aircraft flying hundreds of km off the coast of Penang wasn't seen as hostile and I guess Malaysia was still at the stage of readiness as the U.S. before the 9/11 when jetfighters were not scrambled even when 4 jetliners went off their scheduled route.

I never said the military radar detected the entire plane's path across the peninsula specifically. That info came post analysis of radar and satellite data. But the point that there was a UFO spotted off the coast with no response is a problem for any state that wants to secure its airspace. Your guess is probably right, Malaysia's state of readiness was probably more pre-9/11 and hopefully that will change now. As for your comment about 4 jetliners that went off their scheduled route, did these 4 maintain communications or have their transponders on? I would hope so, otherwise, what you're saying is that the airspace above Malaysia is very loose.


Switching gears for a moment and actually getting back on topic for the main purpose of our forum, I think this event starkly demonstrates China's status as a second rate developing power, without sufficient capability to keep track of, not to mention protect its mundane interests. The minimum takeaway for China from this event should be to boost its satellite surveillance capabilities.

I don't think this demonstrates anything about second rate. It was a Malaysian plane in an area managed by Malaysian air traffic control on one end and Vietnamese air traffic control on the other. Why would any other country track at that level completely outside their own area? And no satellite actually tracked MH370. It is really a lucky break that whoever on that plane or whatever events that took place on that plane, did not/could not disable the engine performance telemetry which attempted to respond to a satellite system used for just that, not track a plane. What is being deduced now is really more CSI work than tracking capability.

From this event, perhaps the international aviation interests show ponder about installing radar coverage in dead spots along well traveled air corridors? My understanding is that out in the Indian Ocean, those air routes have zero coverage from any radars on the ground. ETOPS made that possible I suppose. Maybe China could lead the initiative for an international system of satellites that track planes? Or something more on the ground like radar stations or something like Sea-based X-band Radar on a mobile platform?

A positive note would be when's the last time that many countries have quickly assembled together and worked together with relatively little friction, putting aside their differences?
 

joshuatree

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Which I would say makes it then highly unlikely.
Terrorists would have done what ever they had intended to do by now and we would all know about it. If they were Uighers, all they had to do to strike a blow would be to let the plane continue on its planned route to Beijing. Why change that? what is the benefit?

Its the absence that is telling in this story:
No wreckage
No distress
No demands
No interest by Malay Civil or Military Authorities during the event!

If it were Uigher extremists, it would make sense to wait for MH370 to be above Beijing before making an attempt to take over the plane and slamming it into something iconic like Tienanmen. Perhaps it's time to step up the concept of sky marshals on all commercial flights.
 

Quickie

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As for your comment about 4 jetliners that went off their scheduled route, did these 4 maintain communications or have their transponders on? I would hope so, otherwise, what you're saying is that the airspace above Malaysia is very loose.

I was referring to 9/11.
 

AssassinsMace

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

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I was watching CNN and they basically were gloating at China's lack of ability to do anything like back during the tsunami disaster. Be careful of your taunting. The countries laughing at China back then for its inability to carry out disaster relief are now alarmed because China has acquired those capabilities which translates to military capabilities. I'm sure the technological gaps that were exposed from this incident will be lessons learned for China's domestic airliner program. Also, it's interesting how it's being portrayed on who's to blame or behind this when it's all just speculation. You know the saying where the most simplest explanation is the most likely? What's the most simplest explanation? Mechanical failure that resulted in a major catastrophic end. China can't do much because it's not Chinese hardware. China didn't design and build the system on the 777. Don't you think the country that did would know more on how it works? Which means it's the US and Boeing's credibility on the line. Interesting how the speculation all centers on anything but the most simplest explanation. How strange is it that search areas pop-up no where near the most likely location if there was a mechanical failure. Look at the GM recall on a mechanical failure that resulted in a dozen deaths. That went unreported and happened during the same time of Toyota's trouble with the accelerator. As a result Toyota who was number one in the world in auto sales was no longer number one afterwards.

If China's news media mirrored the mentality of the likes of CNN, these questions would come up.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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The CCP is obviously unhappy with the Search for MRS 370. The Malaysians have bungled form day one, With holding critical information until the last second not properly managing a efficient Search. They were Inept, they were not ready. and 90%+ of the passenger list is Chinese. So if the Chinese are unhappy it's reasonable.
They are getting tired of the Malaysian Keystone Cops.
 
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