Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

joshuatree

Captain
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Does it really matter? I was explaining what someone else asked why bother flying far away if the pilot(s) was going to commit suicide. We don't even know if they did fly far away. If it flew off to some country in Central Asia or someplace else as being speculated now, how come these pings from the engines stopped sending signals over the Indian Ocean? Meaning if they didn't get that right, all the other information is now in question.

Don't the pings only happen every hour? So from the last ping's general area, can the plane land somewhere before that next hour? Or did these hijackers finally get to disabling that too?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Don't the pings only happen every hour? So from the last ping's general area, can the plane land somewhere before that next hour? Or did these hijackers finally get to disabling that too?

The transmitters on the engines cannot be disabled by the pilots during flight from what was explained.

Okay I was watching CNN and they explained how these ping things work. Basically a satellite is sitting over like India. Now I don't know why this is but the satellite basically covers a ring around a certain area so if you been watching TV and they're depicting these arches going south and north from the last known location, that's part of the ring. They're not showing the entire ring because the aircraft wouldn't have able to reach the parts of the ring not being depicted. The satellite sends a signal blindly and when an aircraft reaches that ring it pings back to the satellite. It's not an exact location. It just knows the aircraft passed through the ring at that time. So the aircraft can be anywhere along that ring to which is why by deduction you see the arch go all the way to central Asia and down in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.
 
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superdog

Junior Member
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

The transmitters on the engines cannot be disabled by the pilots during flight from what was explained.

Okay I was watching CNN and they explained how these ping things work. Basically a satellite is sitting over like India. Now I don't know why this is but the satellite basically covers a ring around a certain area so if you been watching TV and they're depicting these arches going south and north from the last known location, that's part of the ring. They're not showing the entire ring because the aircraft wouldn't have able to reach the parts of the ring not being depicted. The satellite sends a signal blindly and when an aircraft reaches that ring it pings back to the satellite. It's not an exact location. It just knows the aircraft passed through the ring at that time. So the aircraft can be anywhere along that ring to which is why by deduction you see the arch go all the way to central Asia and down in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.
That's right, and now we know when the ping stopped the plane may or may not be in the Indian ocean.

The satellite is geostationary, that is why we have fixed rings. If the satellite received multiple pings over time it may still be possible to narrow down the track of the aircraft by comparing the time of the ping and the ring location of each ping, because if we assume economic cruising speed, then different headings will result in different time for the airplane to travel from one "ring" to another. If multiple satellites received the pings then it will be even easier to plot a path. But if the ping is not a regular (e.g. hourly) transmission, just a one-time signal (e.g. an automatic warning message when the engine run out of fuel, etc.), and if it only reached one satellite, then all we know will be the red lines illustrated on the ring chart.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Uri Geller called in to help find missing Malaysian plane by significant figure?

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Guess Ms. Cleo was to busy. Oh god I always get a laugh out of the "Psychic Detectives". I mean really if Uri here were worth the money, would he not have called and warned the airport before this went wrong?
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I don't think he need to try simulating at home. He had been trained at flight school before and definitely had a good feel for the feedback in actual flying even if he had not attempted a steep climb from cruise before. I played with my own MS Flight Simulator years ago and to make a steep climb as in takeoff you have to apply full throttle.


While I have little knowledge with computers and even less with the M.S flight simulater, Im thinking that perhaps the pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah had a more sophisticated setup. He might even have a copy of the proper Boeing 777 simulator program. If there was a plot to hijack an aircraft and fly it somewhere and Zaharie was involved, I,m thinking that he would use the simulator to practise flying and landing at their destination, and taking off afterwards as well.





Any background on the flight crew? Any flight crew training to be a pilot? They could be others who are familiar with the craft
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According to this mornings news reports all cockpit and cabin crew are undergoing exhaustive background checks
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Guess Ms. Cleo was to busy. Oh god I always get a laugh out of the "Psychic Detectives". I mean really if Uri here were worth the money, would he not have called and warned the airport before this went wrong?

I had a little laugh at some of the comments left after the publication . One of them went something along the lines.......'.When the investigators finally discover the wreckage, they will be deeply puzzled with why the silver spoons in the first class section are bent."
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

The transmitters on the engines cannot be disabled by the pilots during flight from what was explained.

Okay I was watching CNN and they explained how these ping things work. Basically a satellite is sitting over like India. Now I don't know why this is but the satellite basically covers a ring around a certain area so if you been watching TV and they're depicting these arches going south and north from the last known location, that's part of the ring. They're not showing the entire ring because the aircraft wouldn't have able to reach the parts of the ring not being depicted. The satellite sends a signal blindly and when an aircraft reaches that ring it pings back to the satellite. It's not an exact location. It just knows the aircraft passed through the ring at that time. So the aircraft can be anywhere along that ring to which is why by deduction you see the arch go all the way to central Asia and down in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.
I think it works differently. The aircraft or both engines or each engine separately sends a ping every hour. If you know when a ping was sent and you know when the ping was received by the satellite you can calculate the distance and that distance gives a ring on the Earth surface. The precision you need is in small fractions of a second and so you need the period of the broadcasts to better than that precision. But when you know exactly where the aircraft was at the time of one broadcast you can calculate the distance at the succeeding broadcasts.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I wasn't referring to SAR operations when commenting on the MAF. I was referring to that very night/early morning when their military radar picked up a UFO, they should have scrambled. If a UFO does not respond to hailing, intercept would be the logical step in defending airspace. The revelation after post analysis of radar and satellite ping data shows the plane flew across the Malaysian Peninsula with not a single alarm to the military command. That's a deficiency in my book. Outside of this incident, it would be a wake up call for the military command.

The military official did not actually say the military radar detected an aircraft flying across the peninsula. It was not that clear cut. What he said was that there was a possibility of the MH370 turning back and that the military radar last plotted an aircraft flying off the north west coast of Penang. As for why a scrambling was not done, an aircraft flying hundreds of km off the coast of Penang wasn't seen as hostile and I guess Malaysia was still at the stage of readiness as the U.S. before the 9/11 when jetfighters were not scrambled even when 4 jetliners went off their scheduled route.
 
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