Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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Suppose the Hijackers were in negotiation with the Malaysian authorities, who botched the process and then the Hijackers decided to crash the plane. This will explain their attempt to hide the plane's whereabouts during flight and reluctance for the Malaysian authorities to disclose details after the event.

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Quickie said:

The possibility of a turn back was revealed during the second day news briefing. The military primary radar, as opposed to the secondary radar, doesn't have the capability to identify the aircraft as the MH370. That's why they decided to search both sides of the peninsular. They were only able to determine to a high degree of certainty the identity of the aircraft when the satellite data became available and was corroborated with the primary radar data.

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I wasn't referring to SAR operations when commenting on the MAF. I was referring to that very night/early morning when their military radar picked up a UFO, they should have scrambled. If a UFO does not respond to hailing, intercept would be the logical step in defending airspace. The revelation after post analysis of radar and satellite ping data shows the plane flew across the Malaysian Peninsula with not a single alarm to the military command. That's a deficiency in my book. Outside of this incident, it would be a wake up call for the military command.

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no_name said:

Suppose the Hijackers were in negotiation with the Malaysian authorities, who botched the process and then the Hijackers decided to crash the plane. This will explain their attempt to hide the plane's whereabouts during flight and reluctance for the Malaysian authorities to disclose details after the event.

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The problem I have with that is If the Hijackers were in negotiations, why Crash?
I mean, the purpose of hostage taking is to trade what you have, People for what you want. Now they had people but what were they going to trade them for? and how could they trade them at thirty thousand feet? what did they bring Parachutes and Bail out bottles?
the first function of a Hostage taker is to take control. They had the Plane they had over 200 people But they had a clock ticking that ticking clock is some thing they could not control its the fuel consumption. in order to control it they have to land.

Second function of a Hostage taker is to place the negotiator in a position where they will want to give in. Where it is better to give in. that means time. in the Air there is no time, the time is the Fuel consumption.

The Third function of the hostage taker is normally to escape. You want to get away with it. A suicide bomber or a Suicide rampage killer is just going to do it that is kill as many people as they can before or during there own death. a 911 style Hijacker is going to try and keep the passengers under control and head to his target which is likely to be in fairly close proximity as the Fuel of the Jet is part of it's destructiveness.
A traditional Hostage taker is in it to get what they want. And then get away so they can become a hero to the cause or live on Bora Bora. A hostage taker is out to get what they want no matter the time, they will only give up if it takes well beyond there means to keep the hostages. that means weeks to months to year.

::My theory::
A crew of Hijackers took the plane,
they had however limited flight training during and the flight crew was incapacitated or died.
part of the Hijackers took the controls and tried to fly the plane they however were novices that's why they had a window from when they turned off transponders.
Then There was a disturbance. part of the passengers figured out what was happening and resisted like what happened on Flight 93. The Hijackers however had a plan they climbed into the vertical to knock any one who might be trying to fight, off there feet and disable them. As well as ensuring that the O2 for the cabin left the Hostages more or less disabled.
then they turned hard dropped altitude hoping to avoid detection and making for a destination they had previously selected to act as there safe zone. a landing strip they felt would offer them safety and from which they could contact the Malaysians or the Chinese or who ever and make there demands. they headed west but in all the chaos they failed to take something into account, my bet is Fuel they thought they had more range then they actually had.
the erratic maneuvers burned up there fuel and they ended up over the Indian ocean stalling out as there engines lost power the plane dropped from the sky and is at the bottom of the Indian ocean

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superdog said:

It doesn't explain why the plane flew such a long way away from course if the pilot just wanted to die? In a typical case of pilot suicide the pilot just dive the plane and crash it, because they doesn't want to give the other pilot a chance to intervene. It is nearly impossible that both pilots wanted to suicide.

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Perhaps the perpetrator caught the other unawares and incapacitated him. Also the perp might have had a life insurance policy which disallowed suicide so he had to make it look like something else so that family members would still be provided for from the payout..

The chances of recovering the .FDR.and all other monitoring devices the aircraft has would be considerably easier had he crashed the aircraft where it was. It would be harder to recover it from the Indian Ocean and the Western side of the Indonesian islands where the waters are deeper with places like the Java trench going down to 24000 feet.

Unlike the older CVR's the modern CVR's which this plane could have had , would be one which had solid state memory , digital recording techniques ,battery powered so that it would keep functioning after the aircraft expierences complete power loss. It also programmed to record allthe conversation from the cockpit from the start of the journey until it arrivedat its destination. Being stored in the tail section of the aircraft, there was no way any crew member could have disabled it. So the only way is to try and make it irritrievable.

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It's easy to explain why a suicidal pilot would fly a long distance just to die. If he was forcing others to go down with him, it's an act of power. It's just like a criminal would rather die than go to jail. That mentality is about being in control and he gets to decide his own fate. Also another act of power is disrupting other people's lives. Making sure no one ever finds out what happened to this flight would create disruption in people's lives.

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

::My theory::
A crew of Hijackers took the plane,
they had however limited flight training during and the flight crew was incapacitated or died.
part of the Hijackers took the controls and tried to fly the plane they however were novices that's why they had a window from when they turned off transponders.
Then There was a disturbance. part of the passengers figured out what was happening and resisted like what happened on Flight 93. The Hijackers however had a plan they climbed into the vertical to knock any one who might be trying to fight, off there feet and disable them. As well as ensuring that the O2 for the cabin left the Hostages more or less disabled.
then they turned hard dropped altitude hoping to avoid detection and making for a destination they had previously selected to act as there safe zone. a landing strip they felt would offer them safety and from which they could contact the Malaysians or the Chinese or who ever and make there demands. they headed west but in all the chaos they failed to take something into account, my bet is Fuel they thought they had more range then they actually had.
the erratic maneuvers burned up there fuel and they ended up over the Indian ocean stalling out as there engines lost power the plane dropped from the sky and is at the bottom of the Indian ocean

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How certain would the hijackers have been of gaining control of the cockpit before starting down this road. If the cockpit crew refused to open the door then the Hijackers would have been thwarted.?

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If this were the US it would be one thing post 9/11 work was set to reinforce the cockpit door, but for Malaysia I can't say for certain. One option would be weak security. If the Malaysians say did not lock the door or left the door open.
Option two, if the Aircraft was under control in my theory then it may be possible that they got a hold of a cockpit key. because a junior member of the crew was in on it or some one who worked for the Air line say on maintenance.
Option three They may have been let in. If the flight crew though it was someone they know a steward or a passenger they have befriended.
Remember the report of the Copilot and pilot picking up ladies and chatting them up in the cockpit. That is lax security. that would render these options.

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AssassinsMace said:

It's easy to explain why a suicidal pilot would fly a long distance just to die. If he was forcing others to go down with him, it's an act of power. It's just like a criminal would rather die than go to jail. That mentality is about being in control and he gets to decide his own fate. Also another act of power is disrupting other people's lives. Making sure no one ever finds out what happened to this flight would create disruption in people's lives.

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Boeing 777 experts on TV say the ACARD system is in a electrical bay and not accessible from the cockpit. So, for the suicidal pilot theory to work, it would have to be a suicide pact between the Captain and the First Officer, because the moment the ACARD system goes off line, alarms would go off in the cockpit.

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Blackstone said:

Boeing 777 experts on TV say the ACARD system is in a electrical bay and not accessible from the cockpit. So, for the suicidal pilot theory to work, it would have to be a suicide pact between the Captain and the First Officer, because the moment the ACARD system goes off line, alarms would go off in the cockpit.

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Does it really matter? I was explaining what someone else asked why bother flying far away if the pilot(s) was going to commit suicide. We don't even know if they did fly far away. If it flew off to some country in Central Asia or someplace else as being speculated now, how come these pings from the engines stopped sending signals over the Indian Ocean? Meaning if they didn't get that right, all the other information is now in question.

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