Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

from the description of the event the 777 was in a near vertical climb nose up tail down. a first class passenger who falls out of his seat would probably hit the back wall with all the force of falling down a 13 story building that's not accounting for G forces.

At the vertical position, the 777 is already in free fall. Only fighter jets can go on climbing or maintain level when in a vertical position.
 

superdog

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Let's focus on the facts:

The red lines indicated the most likely position of the plane when it pinged the satellite for the last time at 8:11am. At this time it should be almost or already out of fuel, therefore the airplane most likely crashed or landed near these areas.

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Franklin

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to me these theories of the plane hijacked and forced to land in Kazakhstan or the Andaman islands (India) is absolutely bonkers. If the plane did land in Kazakhstan or Andaman then wouldn't the governments of those countries know about it ? And if they did land there then what are the hijackers demands ? How can they fly into those countries without anyone knowing ? And are those countries themselves involved ? Well, if there is a hijacked plane that landed in their country for a week without them knowing anything. They are either super incompetent or they are in on the plot. And how do you hijack a plane these days ? After 9/11 airport security is extremely tight and the cockpit doors during the flight is locked. It must have been an inside job to pull this off. But then the question is for what ? It has been a week and we have heard nothing from them.
 

SampanViking

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Strangely enough, the more obscure the facts, the clearer the likely reality becomes.

Suicide - whatever motive - The least likely as the whole point of such an action is make sure everybody can see and knows why your doing it, or a spur of moment act of despair. Its either immediate or very high profile, you do not fly away to do it in private in the middle of nowhere, hours or days later. If you wanted privacy you would just do the job with Mogadon and Scotch behind closed doors somewhere.

Terrorism/Hijacking - Would certainly want to divert the plane, but be able to do unnoticed? If your average Hamas or Al Qidea group tried to pull this stunt, the alarm would no doubt be raised in 5 seconds and every resource put into the sky etc to try and stop/control the situation. Add to that, again its publicity that matters, so what is the point of doing this and keeping it secret, without claiming responsibility or issuing a demand?

The two key points here are that the action was deliberately done in secret and that at least one government has effectively colluded in maintaining that secrecy and have done so for a week!
I really need a lot of convincing that this is anything other than a State level Intelligence Operation, with the aim of preventing something or someone from reaching Beijing. Given the gravity of the action, it is also quite obvious that it is important or that critical information is missing, which is why time is needed to sort out the important item or passanger. Hence the need to secretly divert and detain the plane.

If it is an Intelligence operation and no doubt equally of an illegal and clandestine nature, then those responsible will need to ensure a high degree of plausible deniability. This will mean not taking the plane to any obvious State owned or run facility, which probably will rule out the "Southern Route" under discussion.
Instead I would be looking for a country, nearby, that owes others favours and has territory that it can argue to be not under its control.

I think we can discount Central Asia and Pakistan, as these are too far, enters too many other countries national air space and radar control etc to keep secret, including of course former Soviet air defences which are still strongly linked to Russia.
The best candidate I can think of is an Airstrip somewhere in a rebel zone of Myanmar, as this would tick all the boxes I can think of and is a convenient distance to fly.

The one positive of all this, is this the chances of the passengers and crew still being alive and coming out of this alive, are probably better than were earlier feared.
 

superdog

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Strangely enough, the more obscure the facts, the clearer the likely reality becomes.

Suicide - whatever motive - The least likely as the whole point of such an action is make sure everybody can see and knows why your doing it, or a spur of moment act of despair. Its either immediate or very high profile, you do not fly away to do it in private in the middle of nowhere, hours or days later. If you wanted privacy you would just do the job with Mogadon and Scotch behind closed doors somewhere.

Terrorism/Hijacking - Would certainly want to divert the plane, but be able to do unnoticed? If your average Hamas or Al Qidea group tried to pull this stunt, the alarm would no doubt be raised in 5 seconds and every resource put into the sky etc to try and stop/control the situation. Add to that, again its publicity that matters, so what is the point of doing this and keeping it secret, without claiming responsibility or issuing a demand?

The two key points here are that the action was deliberately done in secret and that at least one government has effectively colluded in maintaining that secrecy and have done so for a week!
I really need a lot of convincing that this is anything other than a State level Intelligence Operation, with the aim of preventing something or someone from reaching Beijing. Given the gravity of the action, it is also quite obvious that it is important or that critical information is missing, which is why time is needed to sort out the important item or passanger. Hence the need to secretly divert and detain the plane.

If it is an Intelligence operation and no doubt equally of an illegal and clandestine nature, then those responsible will need to ensure a high degree of plausible deniability. This will mean not taking the plane to any obvious State owned or run facility, which probably will rule out the "Southern Route" under discussion.
Instead I would be looking for a country, nearby, that owes others favours and has territory that it can argue to be not under its control.

I think we can discount Central Asia and Pakistan, as these are too far, enters too many other countries national air space and radar control etc to keep secret, including of course former Soviet air defences which are still strongly linked to Russia.
The best candidate I can think of is an Airstrip somewhere in a rebel zone of Myanmar, as this would tick all the boxes I can think of and is a convenient distance to fly.

The one positive of all this, is this the chances of the passengers and crew still being alive and coming out of this alive, are probably better than were earlier feared.
You made a lot of good points, but even the explanation of State level intelligence operation could be a tough sell. I mean, if the objective is to prevent somebody or something from reaching Beijing, then a State level intelligence organization would have a million other easier, cheaper, and less risky ways to do it than to make a 777 disappear in the air and appear on international headlines. I can think of no possible scenario that would make any rationally minded state level intelligence organization choosing to do this, instead of just staging an assassination or recovery operation when the target was in Malaysia. Can you think of the cost of pulling this off? Spy have budgets too. Not to mention the catastrophic consequences for the organization and the state if anyone outside found out the truth. You also can't explain this as a last ditch effort, that they couldn't intercept the target before it board the plane, because a stunt like this will take even the most powerful "intelligence organization" weeks if not months or years to plan for. If it is truly a last ditch effort, a state level player could easily just issue a specific terrorist attack warning and force the plane to turn back, then they'll have time to do whatever they need to do in Malaysia; the last thing they want is to hijack the plane with hundreds of civilians and land it on a secret base, only a Bond villain would do that.
 
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At this point I am with those who think something fishy is going on with the authorities, however I am not saying any state participated in the disappearance of the airplane, more likely they are trying to keep detection and tracking capabilities secret (including the lack thereof) and/or cover up or play down any instance of carelessness or incompetence.

In terms of the airplane's behavior let's not forget the possible goal of insurance fraud in terms of suicide. If it is to provide for their family or maintain honor of some sort it can be as powerful a drive as any ideology. And it would explain why the airplane attempted to fly in secret to the middle of the Indian Ocean where it is more unlikely to be tracked or found.
 
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I must say I enjoyed a moment of comic relief in the silhouette of an A-10 being used! They should have stuck with the goofy cartoon airplane frontal.

And why a Mi-17 for a "search and rescue aircraft" used only once for the Philippines?
 
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asif iqbal

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Only good thing about a hijacking is that the passengers are likely to be alive and not dead

This is such strange story I have never seen or heard anything like it

I subscribed to CCN, BBC and Al Jazeera news channels and I get live messages on my iPhone

I just can't get enough of this story!
 

T-U-P

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I must say I enjoyed a moment of comic relief in the silhouette of an A-10 being used! They should have stuck with the goofy cartoon airplane frontal.

And why a Mi-17 for a "search and rescue aircraft" used only once for the Philippines?

And why did they distinguish between aircraft and fixed-wing aircraft when they have a helicopter category already?
 
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