Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

Brumby

Major
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

According to Bloomberg, Australia’s radar network includes a long-range system capable of detecting air targets as small as a single-engine, two-seater jet. A base station in Laverton, Western Australia state has a range of about 3,000 kms (1,864 miles) covering most of the ocean south of Java and west from Perth. Satellite transmission data analyzed by U.S. investigators showed that the MAS jetliner’s most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,000 miles (1,609 kms) west of Perth, Australia. Rather strange that nothing has turned up - as yet. This may add weight to the theory that the plane is somewhere in Pakistan/Afghanistan. If this is a possibility, then someone has a long range delivery vehicle for a dirty bomb or a crude nuclear device. That will be bad news.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

According to Bloomberg, Australia’s radar network includes a long-range system capable of detecting air targets as small as a single-engine, two-seater jet. A base station in Laverton, Western Australia state has a range of about 3,000 kms (1,864 miles) covering most of the ocean south of Java and west from Perth. Satellite transmission data analyzed by U.S. investigators showed that the MAS jetliner’s most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,000 miles (1,609 kms) west of Perth, Australia. Rather strange that nothing has turned up - as yet. This may add weight to the theory that the plane is somewhere in Pakistan/Afghanistan. If this is a possibility, then someone has a long range delivery vehicle for a dirty bomb or a crude nuclear device. That will be bad news.

Yes the system is called Jindalee however unbeknownst to most folks even in Australia there there is such thing as weekend hours. Most Americans do not realized that in majority of the countries in the world they have a pretty lackadaisical
Attitude towards defence even among the military community despite purchasing top notch equipment. Recently there was a case I believe in Switzerland where they couldn't scramble fighters to intercept because the AF only worked 9-5 sat and sun.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
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The media reporting on radar coverage is a joke. They seem not to understand what they report. They think the arch depicted on their maps is a flight path and crosses over several countries to get to central Asia. I saw one report that said China is not forthcoming with any news of detecting the aircraft over Tibet because it reveals their weak radar technology. Why would China have to be forthcoming with information? That area they think the aircraft crossed into China is probably walled with radar because of the border along with India. Meaning the flight did not cross into China. It's like lemmings following their own butt's lead because their own map shows it crossed into China.
 
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I was watching CNN and they basically were gloating at China's lack of ability to do anything like back during the tsunami disaster. Be careful of your taunting. The countries laughing at China back then for its inability to carry out disaster relief are now alarmed because China has acquired those capabilities which translates to military capabilities. I'm sure the technological gaps that were exposed from this incident will be lessons learned for China's domestic airliner program. Also, it's interesting how it's being portrayed on who's to blame or behind this when it's all just speculation. You know the saying where the most simplest explanation is the most likely? What's the most simplest explanation? Mechanical failure that resulted in a major catastrophic end. China can't do much because it's not Chinese hardware. China didn't design and build the system on the 777. Don't you think the country that did would know more on how it works? Which means it's the US and Boeing's credibility on the line. Interesting how the speculation all centers on anything but the most simplest explanation. How strange is it that search areas pop-up no where near the most likely location if there was a mechanical failure. Look at the GM recall on a mechanical failure that resulted in a dozen deaths. That went unreported and happened during the same time of Toyota's trouble with the accelerator. As a result Toyota who was number one in the world in auto sales was no longer number one afterwards.

If China's news media mirrored the mentality of the likes of CNN, these questions would come up.

All I know is I'm so sick of the garbage that AFP produces. And I'm also really sick of all the blaming games and bias people are bringing up again at this time, and people finding a way to blame China for some ridiculous bullshit. Malay also hasn't been coherent with its work, so it's also really annoying.

AFP is officially one of my most hated press.
 

MwRYum

Major
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Whichever way this "incident" goes, it'd probably an unique case in aviation history that rumours could run so amok and unchecked, and the primary cause would be the utter incompetency of the Malaysian government in terms of "information management"...it's a bit like having a rural county pre-school sports teacher try to run a major-league soccer game, if you know what I mean.

Bad information management breeds rumours, like festering wounds breeds maggots.
 

Quickie

Colonel
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That's downright unfair. Why blame the rumor mongering on a single country when it's the world's media that are doing the rumor mongering through many of the wild speculations that they're putting forth?

It doesn't matter how good is a country's information management system is, most media will continue with all the wild speculations (or rumor mongering) because that's almost their bread and butter.
 
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solarz

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That's downright unfair. Why blame the rumor mongering on a single country when it's the world's media that are doing the rumor mongering through many of the wild speculations that they're putting forth?

It doesn't matter how good is a country's information management system is, most media will continue with all the wild speculations (or rumor mongering) because that's almost their bread and butter.

Rumours are inevitable among the public. I saw just yesterday a rumour on Wechat that the plane had been found.

The problem is that China, arguably the country with the most at stake in this incident aside from Malaysia itself, feels it has not been given enough information by the Malaysian government. The recent revelations certainly do seem to support that feeling.

I can understand not releasing information to the public during an investigation, but Chinese officials are not the public. They are, or should be, part of the investigation. This is far more likely a case of Malaysia not wanting to reveal the really bad news until they have no choice.
 

Quickie

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Rumours are inevitable among the public. I saw just yesterday a rumour on Wechat that the plane had been found.

The problem is that China, arguably the country with the most at stake in this incident aside from Malaysia itself, feels it has not been given enough information by the Malaysian government. The recent revelations certainly do seem to support that feeling.

I can understand not releasing information to the public during an investigation, but Chinese officials are not the public. They are, or should be, part of the investigation. This is far more likely a case of Malaysia not wanting to reveal the really bad news until they have no choice.

The problem really is there's not much of information that can be revealed. The public probably knows as much as the investigation team albeit minus the important myriad details. So far it seems like only Malaysia is willing to release the highly sensitive military radar data to the investigation team. It was not until the revelation that the Inmarsat satellites received pings from the missing airplane that there was a breakthrough forward to the next phase.

After so many days of searching the great expanse of seas on both sides of the Malaysian peninsula and now the 2 corridors, they can't find even a single evidence of the MH370. In the news briefing today, the officials were saying that they've not received any hijack notes or communications from anyone claiming responsibility. They were also saying the telephone companies did not find any records of the passengers making a phone call or sending messages. The investigation of the local police and Interpol have so far unable to linked any of the crew and passengers to terrorism. There're just so many unknowns which can only lead to more speculations and rumors.
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
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The problem really is there's not much of information that can be revealed. The public probably knows as much as the investigation team albeit minus the important myriad details. So far it seems like only Malaysia is willing to release the highly sensitive military radar data to the investigation team. It was not until the revelation that the Inmarsat satellites received pings from the missing airplane that there was a breakthrough forward to the next phase.

After so many days of searching the great expanse of seas on both sides of the Malaysian peninsula and now the 2 corridors, they can't find even a single evidence of the MH370. In the news briefing today, the officials were saying that they've not received any hijack notes or communications from anyone claiming responsibility. They were also saying the telephone companies did not find any records of the passengers making a phone call or sending messages. The investigation of the local police and Interpol have so far unable to linked any of the crew and passengers to terrorism. There're just so many unknowns which can only lead to more speculations and rumors.

Malaysia is not exactly a 1st world country with unlimited resources. IF the plane had indeed left Malaysia's primary radar coverage they would need other nations to revealed to them the tracked MH370 took be it on the north side of the arc or the southern part. As more countries are participating and more resources poured into this venture even if mistaks were made it is more likely to be covered up for fear of repercussions and blowback

Imagined if you will that MH370 was really blown out of the sky either by either a SAM or fighters, at this point in time do you think a country would admit to that? Can you imagine the potential s!!%storm that would occur?
It's one thing to revealed on the first day but 10 - days later?? ... they'd better be covering some serious stuff up assuming external forces outside of the cockpit that made it 'disappear'.
 

solarz

Brigadier
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The problem really is there's not much of information that can be revealed. The public probably knows as much as the investigation team albeit minus the important myriad details. So far it seems like only Malaysia is willing to release the highly sensitive military radar data to the investigation team. It was not until the revelation that the Inmarsat satellites received pings from the missing airplane that there was a breakthrough forward to the next phase.

After so many days of searching the great expanse of seas on both sides of the Malaysian peninsula and now the 2 corridors, they can't find even a single evidence of the MH370. In the news briefing today, the officials were saying that they've not received any hijack notes or communications from anyone claiming responsibility. They were also saying the telephone companies did not find any records of the passengers making a phone call or sending messages. The investigation of the local police and Interpol have so far unable to linked any of the crew and passengers to terrorism. There're just so many unknowns which can only lead to more speculations and rumors.

I disagree. Why was the fact that ACARS was switched off before the plane's last message not revealed in the first day? This would have immediately pointed toward a possible hijacking, instead of wasting days searching at the last known location for a wreckage.
 
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