Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

NH 370 took off just after local midnight. It's last known contact with air traffic control was around 1:30AM local time, just after the waxing quarter moon had set to the west. So at the time contact was lost, there was no obvious feature in the sky that would immediately indicate to the cockpit crew the direction of the aircraft. It is possible for pilots to obtain flight direction using the constellation and polaris, but only if the pilot really think it necessary to nevigate by celestial navigation. These celestial features don't jump out at you, especially if you have your hands full dealing with other cockpit emergenies.

It is very rare, but not unheard of, for modern flight by wire aircraft with glass cockpits (ie cockpits with purely computer generated instrument displays, with minimum or no analogue flight instrument backup for compass, guages, and gyros) to suffer total flight instrument failures and blackouts. Airbus A320 is notorious for this.

I know B777 has glass cockpit, and fly by wire. I don't know how much analogue backup there is in the cockpit. If there is none, then it seems possible to explain the current diseaster by postulating a total flight instrument blackout aboard the NH370, just after the moon has set at local time of around 12:40AM. The extend of the failure would be as extensive as total power failure to all flight instrument systems (including communication) and normal lighting. Once this happens, the cockpit would darken, leaving only battery powered emergency lights, and the pilot would immediately have his hands full trying to establish the attitude of his plane with no visibile horizon outside the cockpit, and possibly no artificial horizon in the cockpit. He may or may not have a compass. This would explain why he might wish to turn around, backtrack to find the lights of Kuala Lumpur to reestablish his orientation. It would also explain why he sent out no communication. It would most importantly explain why he was off course while trying to backtrack.

My guess at the moment is the aircraft suffered a total flight instrument and communication blackout around 1 hour into the flight, while over the endless abyssal darkness of the south china sea. The pilot attempted to turn the plane 180 degrees in order to return to Malaysia, where he could be guided by the lights from Kuala Lumpur. But he got disoriented, or instead of fly back on reciprical course, he flew off too far to the west. As he flew west he might have seen many lights from the ships in strait of Malacca, but probably nothing that would indicate to him clearly where he was. It could just as well be the coastal shipping off Malaysia. So he probably kept on flying in the hopes of reaching the clearly recognizable field of light from Kuala Lumpur. But once he is over Andeman sea, he would be over indian ocean and well outside of radar coverage of all any land based radar, and back in abyssal darkness again. Now without instrument he would be totally lost, without any idea which way to head to reach identifable light from ground.

My hunch is the plane could have gone on flying a long time, but without knowing which way he is headed and where he is, it would have been a matter of chance whether he could have flown over somewhere to indicate where he was. If he had initially deviated to the east, he would have flown into the day-night terminator long before the fuel ran out, and could have gotten a near bearing and established direction by the light of the dawn on the eatern horizon. But he flew westwards, and he would be flying away from day-night terminator, and could have gone on flying until he ran out of fuel without ever having any glue where he was or which direction his plane was flying.

Just my hypothesis so far.
 
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chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

A question about the capabilities of ASW aircraft like the P3C: would they be able to find the aircraft using their MAD sensors if it crashed in a shallow part of the south china sea ?

The plane is made of mostly nonferrous, nonmegnetic metals, and what metal it has amounts to only about maybe 1/30 - 1/50th the mass of steel in a nuclear submarine. So any magentic signature a plane has would be very faint compare to most submarines.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Since the Malaysian Air Force radars tracked MH370 to the Malacca Strait island of Paulau Perak, what about Indonesia military radar systems? Why aren't we hearing from the Indonesian government?
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I don't like being one of those guys who wear tinfoil hats however this 'mystery' has gone on long enough where I think a lil 'conspiracy' is warranted. Could it be for whatever reason the plane lost all sensors, comm etc and were flying blind and making it's way back to KLIA. They were basicaly flying using the Mk 1 eyeball and somehow either got lost or were miles off.
Some radar tech panicked couldn't get any squawk or any type of response back. Either scramble alert fighters or some trigger happy SAM operator shot it down and everyone is trying to cover it up. I know this is knee deep in the world of wild theories HOWEVER the Malaysian Government are not clean cut boys by any means.

There was one as recently as few years ago with the Scorpene purchase and the subsequent murder of the Mongolian model who overheard some underhanded dealings at the highest levels. Apparently they strap a bunch of C-4 on her so there would be no physical evidence.

all I'm saying is weirder things have happened.

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Blackstone

Brigadier
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

So we're to believe a senior pilot with about 18k hours flying experience that knows the area very well would fly his aircraft over the western edge of the main island, as far as Palau island without turning around? That makes no sense, even if the pilots were flying with Mk I eyeballs.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Brat, you're the most experienced here. We need your comments.

I really appreciate your kind words here t2, but I am as baffled as the rest of our gentlemen, but this is further proof the "drone boys" have a very misplaced confidence in electronic gadgets, they can and do fail, on multiple levels, at the most in-opportune times. Aircraft are capable of covering vast distances in a very short period of time, the fact that the 777s transponder stopped "painting" a target is our only real evidence, the "turn" could also indicate the flight crew attempting to manage a catastrophic failure of some sort,,,,,,,battery fire, master short, explosive decompression, from structural failure, or heaven forbid a bomb of sorts, all just conjecture on my part.....The sad part is we may never "know" with certainty, and airplanes over water are a Krap shoot? IMHO brat
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

So we're to believe a senior pilot with about 18k hours flying experience that knows the area very well would fly his aircraft over the western edge of the main island, as far as Palau island without turning around? That makes no sense, even if the pilots were flying with Mk I eyeballs.

Palau?!?! WTH? Palau is way west of the Phillipines! Initially the report was about 100 miles south of Vietnam then there was the rumor about the ATB but now it appears the ATB is confirmed by the Air Force. The plane did turn around for whatever reason and it was another good hour or so before it lost radar contact.
If I'm piecing everything right the plane went silent about 130 ish etc but military radar was tracking it for another good hour overflying Malaysia (again) heading WSW or so before it 'disappeared'.
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

So we're to believe a senior pilot with about 18k hours flying experience that knows the area very well would fly his aircraft over the western edge of the main island, as far as Palau island without turning around? That makes no sense, even if the pilots were flying with Mk I eyeballs.

Experienced pilots have done many seemingly oblivious and brain dead things before. Some while handling cockpit emergency, some for no clear reason whatsoever.

Never rule out human error. No matter how experience, no matter how sterling the record, the very best human pilot remain the biggest risk factor in airline safety.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

In skydiving it's said that the statistics are against you. the more Jumps you make the higher the chance of things going wrong. a Experienced pilot could become complacent. not do every check he needs to or Assume something. For example British Midland Flight 092, one of the Engines fails, the Pilot was experienced but he was flying that day a brand new 737-400, the pilot tried to kill the bad engine, but the 400 he was flying had different engine control layouts so he made a bad situation worse when he killed the good engine.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Experienced pilots have done many seemingly oblivious and brain dead things before. Some while handling cockpit emergency, some for no clear reason whatsoever.

Never rule out human error. No matter how experience, no matter how sterling the record, the very best human pilot remain the biggest risk factor in airline safety.

True, but what's baffling about the mystery is the plane was at cruising altitude, basically at the safest moment in the air, the computer virtually does most of the work, so what else can the pilot do to cause such a catastrophic descent?:confused:
 
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