Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I saw on the news an interview with an US Navy officer who said they sent aircraft through the Malacca Strait already and it didn't detect any sort of debris field.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

As someone who knows just a tiny bit about flight paths :eek: it is EXTREMELY important for us and everyone else to know if the plane after making that turn near the IGARI way point if she was tracking straight and true toward the WSW direction back over land. We need to know if it was a constant heading and constant altitude because that would likely indicate the autopilot was still engaged. If it isn't odds are a human was manually flying it westward.

We can speculate a lot more accurately if that tidbit is known. Only the Malaysian Airforce has that data right now and I wish they would divulge that info because it would answer some questions. It would also put the terrorism angle to rest because statistically speaking one of the very first things a terrorist who has commanded the cockpit would either forced the pilot or they themselves cut the AP. It may also mean something catastrophic happened inside say a sudden cabin depressurization and everyone was knocked out due to hypoxia etc and the plane literally just flew itself until it ran out of fuel and crashed. That would explain the non verbal comm from the crew to the ATC, any Mayday calls or even comm with scrambled fighters etc though it still doesn't explain the lost of transponder etc.

Usually when something mysterious like this happens it is a series of unlikely events all happening at the same time which is very events such at this is extremely rare but as they say every once in a long while all the planets lined up and bad things happen. Could be some sort of mechanical failure, cabin depresurization and lot of power which disabled the commm. When you take into consideration the hundreds of thousands of flights going about their business normally statistically speaking you'll have a really odd one happening out of those.
 
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joshuatree

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

cn_habs said:
Those incompetent Malaysian officials could have mentioned that detour days ago and took ages to reveal the identity of the 2 Iranians , effectively lowering the chances of finding anyone alive.
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Yes, if all the recent revelations are true, then I would say Malaysian officials were negligent on two major accounts.

- Not intercepting when the plane glaringly went off course (if even one Malaysian F-18 or Su-30 did an intercept and followed), outcome could have been much different.

- Not providing vital area info that could potentially saved lives, instead misdirecting SAR resources that could have found survivors. It should have been Malaysian and Indonesian SAR in the early hours, not Vietnamese.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

joshuatree said:
Yes, if all the recent revelations are true, then I would say Malaysian officials were negligent on two major accounts.

- Not intercepting when the plane glaringly went off course (if even one Malaysian F-18 or Su-30 did an intercept and followed), outcome could have been much different.

- Not providing vital area info that could potentially saved lives, instead misdirecting SAR resources that could have found survivors. It should have been Malaysian and Indonesian SAR in the early hours, not Vietnamese.
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If anything I would the say Malaysian Airforce is the most negligent. Obviously some serious lack of communication between military and the civilian sector. As we now know, the AF KNEW the plane turned around and was moving back therefore the first thing they should've done was to inform the civilian authorities to forget the SCS area alltogether and concentrate their SnR either on land and the search grid they are focusing on now.
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

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Malaysian Air Force now says previous radar report on MH370 near Paulau Perak island isn't correct. It seems the Malaysian AF has internal communication problem.

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Malaysia's air force chief said Wednesday authorities have not ruled out the possibility a missing airliner inexplicably changed course before losing contact, but denied reports the jet had been detected far from its planned flight path.

"The (air force) has not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back on a reciprocal heading before the aircraft vanished from the radar," General Rodzali Daud said in a statement.

"This resulted in the search and rescue operations being widened to the vicinity of the waters (off the west coast of Malaysia)."

But he denied a Malaysian media report on Tuesday that quoted him as saying that radar had last detected the plane over the Strait of Malacca off western Malaysia.

That location would have indicated that Malaysia Airlines flight 370 had banked far to the west of its intended flight path over the South China Sea.

Rodzali said he "did not make any such statements," and that Malaysian newspaper Berita Harian published "what is clearly an inaccurate and incorrect report."

Authorities have said that the plane's last known point of contact with air-traffic control was off eastern Malaysia as it headed from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on an overnight flight early Saturday.

A massive search for the aircraft, which had 239 people aboard, initially focussed only on waters off eastern Malaysia, but has been expanded to the country's west coast.

That came after Rodzali said on the weekend that radar data indicated the "possibility" that the pilot had inexplicably changed course.

Authorities have given no details on the radar data cited in the turn-back scenario and are yet to announce findings of an investigation into the theory.
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MwRYum

MwRYum

Major
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

kwaigonegin said:
If anything I would the say Malaysian Airforce is the most negligent. Obviously some serious lack of communication between military and the civilian sector. As we now know, the AF KNEW the plane turned around and was moving back therefore the first thing they should've done was to inform the civilian authorities to forget the SCS area alltogether and concentrate their SnR either on land and the search grid they are focusing on now.
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Regardless of that, the Malaysian government already made itself look incompetent - first the emergency responses of its flag carrier airline was utterly terrible (Malaysian Airline is a public company sure, but its parent company is a state owned enterprise, plus a flag carrier airline always have close ties to the state); then they seems to have absolutely no clue where the flight could be (the least they could do is to provide a map illustrate their ATC radar coverage in relation to the MH370 known track, better if collaborate with Vietnam's ATC radar coverage, and in relation to the density of air traffic at that time); next a serious security at immigration checkpoint came to light...

I won't blame Malaysia for their lack of resources in conducting SAR and salvage ops - apart from they ain't swimming in money as Singapore does, they haven't had any such major accidents in decades, so little drive to invest in specialised vessels; besides, they did issues requests to other countries to provide aid in conducting the SAR ops on day 1. China made the biggest effort largely because they lost 152 citizens. more than half of the total 239 on that flight.

Blackstone said:
Malaysian Air Force now says previous radar report on MH370 near Paulau Perak island isn't correct. It seems the Malaysian AF has internal communication problem.

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They either better get their story straight most ricky-tick, or it'll hurt Malaysia's reputation further more than it already does.
 
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