Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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t2contra said:

Not following rules.

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Now, t2, all real aviator's like the ladies, always have, always will, I'd be a lot more concerned if he didn't "entertain" the attractive young ladies, at this stage, their is O reason to beat-up the flight crew, or the Malaysians or anyone else. We have an lost airplane period, the two little characters who are using others passports are a concern, so we can't rule out the unthinkable. I hope we do find some clue shortly, but I've read each thread, some of them twice, there is NO smoking gun at present, it is likely an accident. I'm sure these things are hurtful to the families, I'm still praying and hoping for a miracle, for all involved, but the Captain is very experienced, if the FO had been negligent on the previous flight, the Captain would have busted his chops, all these radar data, tracks etc have to be overlayed, and verified, then checked again, really sounds like they can't be sure, lots of area to cover, and radar doesn't cover every single inch of the possibilities. So, lets keep kool heads, let NOT make false accusations against individuals, airlines, or government, hopefully by looking for the truth, we will find the truth, then we will "know" for a fact where the cause lies. Believe me, I've read hundreds of accident reports, most of the time I have a hunch immediately, like the Asiana flight, it was painfully obvious that someone wasn't flying the airplane, rather than go around, they tried to fix it, so, now we wait.......

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Air Force Brat said:

Now, t2, all real aviator's like the ladies, always have, always will, I'd be a lot more concerned if he didn't "entertain" the attractive young ladies, at this stage, their is O reason to beat-up the flight crew, or the Malaysians or anyone else. We have an lost airplane period, the two little characters who are using others passports are a concern, so we can't rule out the unthinkable. I hope we do find some clue shortly, but I've read each thread, some of them twice, there is NO smoking gun at present, it is likely an accident. I'm sure these things are hurtful to the families, I'm still praying and hoping for a miracle, for all involved, but the Captain is very experienced, if the FO had been negligent on the previous flight, the Captain would have busted his chops, all these radar data, tracks etc have to be overlayed, and verified, then checked again, really sounds like they can't be sure, lots of area to cover, and radar doesn't cover every single inch of the possibilities. So, lets keep kool heads, let NOT make false accusations against individuals, airlines, or government, hopefully by looking for the truth, we will find the truth, then we will "know" for a fact where the cause lies. Believe me, I've read hundreds of accident reports, most of the time I have a hunch immediately, like the Asiana flight, it was painfully obvious that someone wasn't flying the airplane, rather than go around, they tried to fix it, so, now we wait.......

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But for (insert whatever God you pray to) sake, don't do that on the job, please...

In any case, hopefully they can find the wreckage soon, the recovery of FDR and CVR as well.

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t2contra said:

Not following rules.

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Showing off to ladies, at the discretion of the captain, is only against the rules instituted by federal aviation administration, whose jurisdiction only includes the US and US carriers. There is no universal rule against the flight deck crew inviting passengers to the flight deck at their discretion.

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Blackstone said:

At this point, is that even possible?

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One should not pile on when:

1. The plane has not been found, much less the last minutes and hours of the flight reconstructed.

2. The relationship between the airline and state and government Malaysia not fully understood

3. Lots of other people has emotional, and therefore invalid, reasons for piling on.

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National Post said:

Vietnam’s Maritime Search and Rescue Services was scrambling ships to a debris field after a commercial Cathay Pacific airliner Monday en route to Hong Kong reported a “large amount of metal debris.”
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A vessel in the area confirmed material was floating in the ocean about 92 kilometres off the southeastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea. The debris is located about 520 kilometres northeast of a missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370′s last known radar position.

A Thai cargo ship in the area was asked for assistance and had set course to the position but had not found anything unusual as of Monday afternoon.

The location of the possible debris does not match the flightpath expected to have been taken by the jet, which should have flown directly over Ho Chi Minh City. The location supplied to the Hong Kong’s Civil Aviation Department was more than 125 kilometres southeast of the original flight path.

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t2contra said:

MAS already lost US$353m in 2013.

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I hope that didnt influence the airline executives into making decisions like the owners of the defunct Indonesian Airline "Adam Air"

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chuck731 said:

Take Air France flight 447 for example. This was also an instance of a state of the art modern passenger aircraft mysteriously disappearing while crusing over the ocean, and then taking a week to be found and 2 years to be recovered..............

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Can you tell me, through using 'ACARS 'a aircrafts flight path can be altered by ground control?

Im also why in this day and age why they dont transmit the information the black box is gathering to a satellite or something, and be used in the situation we are now experiencing.

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I can't answer on the first part but on the second.
first the "black box" is not a single its multiple flight recorders, second its very low power. The records even to this day are complex and satellite bandwidth is still small. Add to this that in this situation all radio contact was lost. Now you might argue that if you can find yourself on a GPS navigation system then you should be able to do the same with a flight recorder. In order to keep signaling its location for recovery the power of the transmitter on the box is very low. So is a GPS signal but a GPS satellite has vertical. Its above you granting unlimited line of sight. A flight recorder is on the ground or in this case likely underwater. Water transmits sound greatly but sucks for radio. Ergo no signal.

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B.I.B. said:

Im also why in this day and age why they dont transmit the information the black box is gathering to a satellite or something, and be used in the situation we are now experiencing.

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If you can answer the issues of cost, ownership and management, as well as protocol standardisation first...

It'd be the same even if data are transferred to a ground station, or back to airline's dispatch office, because the first problem is the satellite uplink and downlink - to process a continuous data stream is still commercially expensive, and satellite network has a smaller bandwidth compare with land hardwire system, when you think most hub-to-hub data connection are done via fibre optic cables you should know why.

And when you consider so many commercial airliners are flying at any one time, the amount of data required to be uplinked / downlinked at any one time would be so massive it'd max out today's data network.

Just the money alone will sink the project.

Besides, such a system operates more like a bread crump and not preventing disasters, as there're plenty of measures to prevent disasters from happening, and so long the procedures are followed to the letter flights will remain safe, quiet and boring, as they should be.

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And then what do you get? Statistics. This was doing that that was doing this. RAW analytical data. It doesn't tell you about why something happened only the end result. You need the wreckage for they why.
the flight recorder gives you points Q-w. X Y and Z come in on the recovery site, A through D are from the airport to take off but E to P that's the meat. That's where whatever happened happened that's the cigarette that smoldered that made the fire that caused whatever, that's the bolt that broke that caused the engine to fall off.