Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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texx1

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What higher status citizen lol?

Taiwan will be governed differently than on the mainland (with different laws and the likes) and it will take time before full integration (gonna need decades).

Similar to HKers, no taxation for central government, no requirement for military services, logistic supports (higher standard foodstuff), independent custom/immigration, lower admission standards for Taiwanese at mainland tier one universities.
 

ansy1968

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I doubt mainlanders are truly ready to accept another 23.5 million higher status citizens who will enjoy more privileges than them when the conditions of peaceful reunification are revealed.
@texx1 As a human being I followed this principle "acceptance is the truest kinship with Humanity" as a Chinese I followed this "To forget one's ancestor's is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root". Both have the same meaning and Absorbing 24 million fellow Chinese is palatable for Chinese everywhere to take and accept.
 

texx1

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@texx1 As a human being I followed this principle "acceptance is the truest kinship with Humanity" as a Chinese I followed this "To forget one's ancestor's is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root". Both have the same meaning and Absorbing 24 million fellow Chinese is palatable for Chinese everywhere to take and accept.

I am a realist. People think and act differently when their own personal interests are actually impacted. It's much easier to talk ideals on the internet when there is not much personal stake involved. Costs are forever acceptable as long as I am not paying for them.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Similar to HKers, no taxation for central government, no requirement for military services, logistic supports (higher standard foodstuff), independent custom/immigration, lower admission standards for Taiwanese at mainland tier one universities.
They still gonna pay taxes (won't go to central gov yes).
There's no mandatory conscript on the mainland (should be all volunteer right now).
What do you mean with logistic supports.
And what's the problem with independent custom/immigration.
As for lower admission standards, that is a thing already for various provinces in China (to my knowledge, its gonna start being phased out, and I kinda doubt its gonna be implemented for Taiwan due to higher average gdp there).

In the end are there complaints from people on the mainland regarding Taiwan just like about Hong Kongers? Yes.
But is it gonna be like what you said earlier:
I doubt mainlanders are truly ready to accept another 23.5 million higher status citizens who will enjoy more privileges than them when the conditions of peaceful reunification are revealed.
No, not at a big enough scale to really matter.
 

ansy1968

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I am a realist. People think and act differently when their own personal interests are actually impacted. It's much easier to talk ideals on the internet when there is not much personal stake involved. Costs are forever acceptable as long as I am not paying for them.
@texx1 bro a perfect example is the return of Macao and HKG were the Chinese are much much poorer in 1997 and yet are able to absorb an approximate 7.5 million people.
 

texx1

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They still gonna pay taxes (won't go to central gov yes).
There's no mandatory conscript on the mainland (should be all volunteer right now).
What do you mean with logistic supports.
And what's the problem with independent custom/immigration.
As for lower admission standards, that is a thing already for various provinces in China (to my knowledge, its gonna start being phased out, and I kinda doubt its gonna be implemented for Taiwan due to higher average gdp there).

In the end are there complaints from people on the mainland regarding Taiwan just like about Hong Kongers? Yes.
But is it gonna be like what you said earlier:

No, not at a big enough scale to really matter.

HK doesn't remit taxes to the central government while receiving supports from Beijing during emergencies like the current covid outbreak (building of emergency hospitals/sending doctors). In effect, mainland taxpayers are subsidizing HKers and in the future Taiwanese.

All mainlanders are required by Military Service Law of PRC to register for the draft when it turns 18. HKers are not required.

Mainland subsidies HongKong with power, food, and water.

Independent custom/immigration prevents free travel and stay within the supposedly same country between HK and mainland. Duration of stay for mainlanders in HK is much shorter than duration of stay for HKers in mainland. It's also easier for HKers to obtain a travel permit than mainland Chinese.

Lower admission standards are not being phased out. The link is from PRC government's official site.

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参与文凭试收生计划的内地高等院校依据文凭试成绩择优录取香港学生,免去同学额外应考内地联招试,减轻他们的压力。
For HK students seeking admissions to mainland institutions, The need for them to take additional required mainland examinations is eliminated, in the interest of reducing pressure.
 
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texx1

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@texx1 bro a perfect example is the return of Macao and HKG were the Chinese are much much poorer in 1997 and yet are able to absorb an approximate 7.5 million people.
It doesn't mean that mainland Chinese didn't in effect accept a second class citizen status in comparison to HK citizens and Macao citizens within PRC. It was far easier for mainland Chinese to swallow their complaints and resentments before the HK protest in 2019. When it comes to Taiwan, I am not so sure especially for younger generations of Chinese (those born after 2000). Afterall, many of them grew up in much better conditions than their parents.
 

Michaelsinodef

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All mainlanders are required by Military Service Law of PRC to register for the draft when it turns 18. HKers are not required.
Again, to my understanding nowadays the PLA is a volunteer force, do correct me if wrong.
Mainland subsidies HongKong with power, food, and water.
Doesn't the central government subside a lot of smaller provinces, cities etc.
Not to mention investments in poorer regions/places.
Independent custom/immigration prevents free travel and stay within the supposedly same country between HK and mainland. Duration of stay for mainlanders in HK is much shorter than duration of stay for HKers in mainland. It's also easier for HKers to obtain a travel permit than mainland Chinese.
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Lower admission standards are not being phased out. The link is from PRC government's official site.
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Huh saw some stuff about lower admission standards for universities for various regions (such as poorer ones) would be phased out. Might be more slow and gradual I suppose (decades), but I don't see these policies being in place forever.
For HK students seeking admissions to mainland institutions, The need for them to take additional required mainland examinations is eliminated, in the interest of reducing pressure.
To be honest, I see an interest for the central government to get hong kongers to mainland universities (strengthening ties to the mainland).


It doesn't mean that mainland Chinese didn't in effect accept a second class citizen status in comparison to HK citizens and Macao citizens within PRC. It was far easier for mainland Chinese to swallow their complaints and resentments before the HK protest in 2019. When it comes to Taiwan, I am not so sure especially for younger generations of Chinese (those born after 2000). Afterall, many of them grew up in much better conditions than their parents.
Again I don't actually see this as some 'second class citizens', but more like a bit of better/special treatment that is given to like the elderly and disabled lol.

Besides back in 1997 when Hong Kong came back to China it was one of the top cities, nowadays with more development from the cities on the mainland the difference has strunk a lot (not to mention while the average gdp per capita might be high for hong kong, there's a number of problems such as the 'cage houses' etc.).

In the end there will be disgruntled people on weibo and so on, but I really do not foresee it being a big problem at all.
 

JebKerman

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HK doesn't remit taxes to the central government while receiving supports from Beijing during emergencies like the current covid outbreak (building of emergency hospitals/sending doctors). In effect, mainland taxpayers are subsidizing HKers and in the future Taiwanese.

Mainland subsidies HongKong with power, food, and water.

So what you are saying is getting TSMC 5nm for the price of some rice and potatoes is a bad deal? Heck, I'll even throw in 100 tons of 茶叶蛋 a year, for free, shipping included!
 

Godzilla

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I doubt mainlanders are truly ready to accept another 23.5 million higher status citizens who will enjoy more privileges than them when the conditions of peaceful reunification are revealed.
They are already used to Shanghainese & co looking down on the rest of the country. The knifes only comes out when you start mocking China, not their province/city. It'll just be another Hong Kong, where the rich & the well educated but less connected go to further their careers/wealth.
 
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