EW systems do not work that well in real combat situations. The moment you turn them on. You are massive target for enemy artillery. And enemy do not need drones to target you.
Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario
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Yes, I mean exactly that. If you want to be ethical about it you can program them to only target enemy materials: tanks, APC, SAM....etc So all enemy soldiers and civilians are spared.
As for risk, military stuffs are physically isolated so if the enemy want to hack you they need to physically send a 007 to hack it. So not very risky at all.
The means against jamming are there as you've mentioned, but they're not perfect. Fundamentally the war between communication and jamming is about signal to noise ratio, the enemy can always brute force the noise, especially when your drones are close to jamming source and far from communication relay, the advantage is on the jamming side due to inverse square law.
Also, when we talk about drone swarm numbered in hundreds or thousands, you need to maintain hundreds or thousands of individual high bandwidth (visual) comm link under jamming, it is extremely difficult to say the least. Modern mobile network can do that but is in zero jamming environment and a base station every few hundred meters.
Agreed, I just meant they'd be effective against current drones on their own. Things is a lot more complicated in the battlefield
Exactly.
Always be prepared for the heaviest and fiercest fighting and resistance from the Taiwanese side when planning for the reunification would be the best course of action for the PLA and CMC.
Compared to the current Ukraine-Russia War, I could see that Taiwan would be on several magnitudes harder for China.
Heck, I would even suggest China to put the nuclear option on the table, in order to intimidate Taiwanese leadership to surrender peacefully. I know this definitely sound really cruel to nuke Taiwan (which is equivalent to nuking China's own brothers and sisters), but China's ultimate goal is to reunify the island. China has no need for those anti-China diehards to stick around after the reunification is complete.
In fact, I would suggest those anti-China diehards on Taiwan who don't want to be under Beijing's rule to take whataever outbound flights available and leave the island before the war starts. At least your survival is guaranteed.
This brings back to the point - There is literally zero guarantee that the Taiwanese leadership, military and populace would give up and surrender so easily.
I would strongly advice those who expect that reunifying Taiwan would be a walk in the park to wake up and get real. I would expect the reunification operation to be a walk across a crocodile-&-snake-infested swamp.
Considering how hard is it for Beijing to combat the decades-worth of brainwashing damages that the British colonialists and the British-element-infiltrated Hong Kong government had done on fellow Hong Kongers before and after the 1997 handover, I find it difficult to believe that the Taiwanese would be softer than those brainwashed Hong Kongers at all.
Just take a look at the pages of history, especially the later stages of the Pacific War.
Notice how increasingly challenging and bloody the Allied forces' advance were across the Pacific as they get closer to the Japanese mainland (banzai charges, kamikazes, kaitens, you name it). Don't forget how adamant Imperial Japan was in refusing to surrender, even when literally the whole world was basically against them by late-1945. The Imperial Japanese leadership at that time was even ready to sacrifice tens of millions of her whole populace - All just to hopefully bleed the Allied forces more than the Allied Powers' own populace could ever accept.
In the end, it was only because of the "double-shock" (the atomic bombings and Soviet military operations in Manchuria) that Imperial Japan was forced to surrender.
Taiwan could be the 21st-century version of Iwo Jima, Okinawa, or even Operation Downfall for China. Therefore, the Chinese government, military and the populace must be ready for such avenue.
And as always, the PLA and CMC must expect direct military intervention from the AUKUS, Five Eyes and QUAD in the process of reunifying Taiwan as well.
In short, looking down on your enemy is always suicidal. It's always better to overestimate your enemy than to underestimate your enemy.
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I did see picture from Ukraine showing Javelin made in year 2000 so they are sending old stuff.
Latest versions cost over 200.000-250.000$ per missile without launcher.
@Jason_ yeah do that and you lost Taiwan forever.
Who said that needs to be Taiwan. Could be US overseas bases.
Just a small observation.
There is much being said about recon battle over the Ukraine (E-3, JSTARS, ELINT, EW, Space assets).
But just one observation: we don't really know how well different NATO assets can look into Ukraine; E-3 probably can't see further than central Ukraine, JSTARs won't see much with active sensors at all.
But what we can say is that there were multiple LACM attacks in the Western part of the country, well inside view range of western assets. Warning time should've been sufficient to alarm interceptors and air defenses.
And yet, unless we missed something very big (unlikely in western Ukraine) - none of those attacks were thwarted, and it appears they mostly or even completely got through.
Part of the reason is probably on Ukrainians(barely upgraded cold-war era fulcrums and flankers simply aren't up to the task).
But still.
There is much being said about recon battle over the Ukraine (E-3, JSTARS, ELINT, EW, Space assets).
But just one observation: we don't really know how well different NATO assets can look into Ukraine; E-3 probably can't see further than central Ukraine, JSTARs won't see much with active sensors at all.
But what we can say is that there were multiple LACM attacks in the Western part of the country, well inside view range of western assets. Warning time should've been sufficient to alarm interceptors and air defenses.
And yet, unless we missed something very big (unlikely in western Ukraine) - none of those attacks were thwarted, and it appears they mostly or even completely got through.
Part of the reason is probably on Ukrainians(barely upgraded cold-war era fulcrums and flankers simply aren't up to the task).
But still.
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