Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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siegecrossbow

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So why do most academic publications find that 75% of anti-Asian hate incidents are perpetuated by Whites in 2020, and vast majority of hate-crimes between 1992-2014 are by white perpetrators?


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Btw, most anti-Asian hate incidents in NYC are black/latino offenders, because Bronx and Brooklyn are overwhelmingly African-American and Hispanic communities, so more in absolute number in hate incidents. When you look at the entire nation, whites are the largest offenders because of the sheer numbers.

Are those violent crimes though? Not saying that non-violent hate crimes should be condoned but I think getting killed is more serious than racial slander/vandalism.
 

Phead128

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Are those violent crimes though?
Don't know, but serious enough for the police to be involved. It's not your random "Go Back to China" or "Ching chong" verbal abuse, it has to be serious enough for the police to be called and police record established. (see
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Not saying that non-violent hate crimes should be condoned but I think getting killed is more serious than racial slander/vandalism.
If "deaths" is your metrics, then this one White man has killed more Asian people in 2021 than all the blacks/hispanics combined have killed.
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Arnies

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From a stragetic point of view China won't charge at Taiwan before dealing with India as India is the key to everything for China and they also need India out of the way in order so that fortunes could change for them.. For the arrival of the sino era.. This frees up China entirely and there is not this thing that could be used against them as threat.

Hence the Chinese army takes India as security chellenge. This also automatically benefits Pakistan as this will also entirely free them up and go elsewhere.

Sino-Pak offense on India is of outmost need.. Conflict could be over much sooner then realized but the only issue is that China has things to lose and won't likely go thru with it until the world economy crashes or something but we must be prepared for the endgame once that economy bubble crashes and goes it will be 100-meter dash towards India
 

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From a stragetic point of view China won't charge at Taiwan before dealing with India as India is the key to everything for China and they also need India out of the way in order so that fortunes could change for them.. For the arrival of the sino era.. This frees up China entirely and there is not this thing that could be used against them as threat.

Hence the Chinese army takes India as security chellenge. This also automatically benefits Pakistan as this will also entirely free them up and go elsewhere.

Sino-Pak offense on India is of outmost need.. Conflict could be over much sooner then realized but the only issue is that China has things to lose and won't likely go thru with it until the world economy crashes or something but we must be prepared for the endgame once that economy bubble crashes and goes it will be 100-meter dash towards India
That is a horrible idea.
 

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It's important to keep things in perspective. Barring a (suicidal) unilateral declaration of independence, there are no pressing issues for China to conduct reunification.

The best option remains peaceful reunification, because none of us wants to see a bombed out Taiwan. Peaceful reunification can happen one of two ways: voluntary, or peaceful surrender.
 

Arnies

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That is a horrible idea.
I don't see why plus it would be economical beneficial on the long term but the whole dynamic is not simple to understand for everyday people but alas and also nobody would partake in such adventure unless the participants had nothing to lose which is the important aspect to factor in. They will need bread-basket at disaster times and that land is the mother of all bread-baskets in the world and if the food-chain was to crash hence nature will draw them to go where the food is
 
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SanWenYu

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From a stragetic point of view China won't charge at Taiwan before dealing with India as India is the key to everything for China and they also need India out of the way in order so that fortunes could change for them.. For the arrival of the sino era.. This frees up China entirely and there is not this thing that could be used against them as threat.

Hence the Chinese army takes India as security chellenge. This also automatically benefits Pakistan as this will also entirely free them up and go elsewhere.

Sino-Pak offense on India is of outmost need.. Conflict could be over much sooner then realized but the only issue is that China has things to lose and won't likely go thru with it until the world economy crashes or something but we must be prepared for the endgame once that economy bubble crashes and goes it will be 100-meter dash towards India

China does not need anything from India. It is not the key to anything for China.

Sure India is making itself an annoyance to China. But it is not a serious threat. It will likely not be one in the foreseeible future. China only needs to hold the line on that direction. It certain will not cost an arm and a leg for China to do that. Now as China equiping its front line troops with better gears, building more barracks, roads, airfields and pipelines behind its line of defense, the balance of strength is tipping towards China.

The potential conflict between China and India will be very different than the Ukraine one. First and foremost, China is not going to invade India to annex a part of it. Then there are differences in terrains of the potential battlefields.
 

SanWenYu

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I don't see why plus it would be economical beneficial on the long term but the whole dynamic is not simple to understand for everyday people but alas and also nobody would partake in such adventure unless the participants had nothing to lose which is the important aspect to factor in. They will need bread-basket at disaster times and that land is the mother of all bread-baskets in the world and if the food-chain was to crash hence nature will draw them to go where the food is
Are you saying that China needs India's farming land for food security? This must be a joke.
 

Arnies

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China does not need anything from India. It is not the key to anything for China.

Sure India is making itself an annoyance to China. But it is not a serious threat. It will likely not be one in the foreseeible future. China only needs to hold the line on that direction. It certain will not cost an arm and a leg for China to do that. Now as China equiping its front line troops with better gears, building more barracks, roads, airfields and pipelines behind its line of defense, the balance of strength is tipping towards China.

The potential conflict between China and India will be very different than the Ukraine one. First and foremost, China is not going to invade India to annex a part of it. Then there are differences in terrains of the potential battlefields.

You can deny as much as you want but China is besieged from the east and in India. Keeping the line forever won't work eventually. But I can assure you that Pakistan will invade the Indians and re-annex it. They will not be hesitant to pull the trigger if the need rises. This is how fortunes change and empires emerge. You can't just sit forever.

I am not advocating for a conflicts don't get me wrong but certain political realities will eventually collide. We are confident in the complete annexation of India but you can't remain in defense and on the sidelines until entirety or otherwise you will be the one to be carved open.

Besides India has the most arable land in the world. Why do you think all these invasions happened in India? It was never due to a fluke but purely economically fuelled and if there is some sort of nuclear winter or other natural disasters India becomes viable bread basket..

Things don't happen in the political sphere due to petty reasons such as beefs or whatever but they happen for pragmatic reasons such as life nessecities economical collapses, droughts, natural disasters etc etc.
 
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SanWenYu

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You can deny as much as you want but China is besieged from the east and in India. Keeping the line forever won't work eventually. But I can assure you that Pakistan will invade the Indians and re-annex it. They will not be hesitant to pull the trigger if the need rises. This is how fortunes change and empires emerge. You can't just sit forever.

I am not advocating for a conflicts don't get me wrong but certain political realities will eventually collide. We are confident in the complete annexation of India but you can't remain in defense and on the sidelines until entirety or otherwise you will be the one to be carved open.

Besides India has the most arable land in the world. Why do you think all these invasions happened in India? It was never due to a fluke but purely economically fuelled and if there is some sort of nuclear winter or other natural disasters India becomes viable bread basket..

Things don't happen in the political sphere due to petty reasons such as beefs or whatever but they happen for pragmatic reasons such as life nessecities economical collapses, droughts, natural disasters etc etc.
We are getting off topic. Before I stop, I will just say that your arguments are based on a complete misunderstanding of China. It is not an emgerging empire.

You are also underestimating the Indians. India in its current form cannot be a serious threat to China. But it will be a suicide for China to annex India.
 
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