Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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AssassinsMace

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The fact is you can blame the majority of problems in the world on the West. Yes the West doesn't like when people just throw that out there but it's true. Most wars that have happened in the last one hundred years were the result of colonialism and the redrawing of borders. When the West was colonizing the world they redrew borders for themselves and lumped nations that were separate before together under the new borders drew up by colonialism. Africa before the West was a continent of hundreds of nations. Then the West started their campaign to take over the world. So when communism came about, it was a threat to the West. It wasn't until China turn communist that it really scared the West. China was a victim of colonialism, unlike Russia who was a colonizer themselves, that the world could relate to. The West saw this kind of revolt could happen around the world especially since WWII weakened them. China was giving weapons and money to countries around the world regardless if they wanted to be communist or not just to start a revolution against Western colonialism. The West was in panic and had to do something or else lose it all. So this is why they decolonized during the Cold War and embraced human rights. It was a tactic not because they all of the sudden cared when the day before it was the complete opposite. But they still wanted to have power over their colonies. So even though they decolonized, they installed a puppet dictator picking from usually the most hated ethnic group out all the nations that were lumped together under colonial drawn borders to rule them all because they knew when trouble brewed these dictators would run back to their colonial masters for help. That why during the Cold War Western countries supported dictatorships and not democracies was prominent. Pitting race vs race, ethnicities vs ethnicity is an arrow their have in their quiver.

You know how China can eliminate most anti-China sentiment around the world? Take down the West. China doesn't need to actually go to war with the West like the West does to take down their competition. Most of the pieces are already in place where it doesn't need war or aggression. That's why they'll freely admit China's is the greatest threat to the Western world order today. It's the things they fear China will do are all the things they can't use their military to stop it or they will be seen as the villain in the world. It all basically sums up to is the saying to live well is the best revenge. They fear the rise of Chinese technology because technology is one of the pillars that holds up the Western economy and gives them power over the world. It's not a crime just to develop better technology but that's how they'll spin it. Technology is about making life easier. How is that a crime? You know how everyone can tell something is not a crime? If they can do it, you can do it. Otherwise it's racism on their part therefore they are evil and you can destroy them. That's why they have to make it out to be everything but how they're just worried about the competition beating them that's motivating them.

Over at the semiconductor thread, the notorious members like to emphasized that China can develop the best chip computer chip ever but if the West doesn't buy it, it's a failure. That's the kind of brainwashing you see from the West and also from within. All that matters is that China has the best chip in the world not that other bull. That's what is the Chinese worst problem. You can have two Chinese families that are bitter rivals. They both have daughters that were taught to play the piano and all that matters to these parents is they want their daughter to beat the other daughter. Being an accomplished piano player is secondary. When reality shows became popular I use to watch a lot of them especially if there was an Asian contestant. I heard about an Asian woman on one of those fashion model competition shows and wanted to see how long she lasted. So the day came where she was kicked off so what was the reason she got the boot? They said she didn't care about the culture of being a model. She was only there to win. That hits the nail on the head what's wrong with many Chinese/Asians. They only care about the accolade and the title and not what it takes because all it is to them is about showing off to believe they're personally better than the other. I've mention this before about being in another forum where South Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese were arguing with one another on who was superior to the other. The one factor that seem to only matter to the South Koreans and Japanese was who the US liked more. That's how pathetic Asians are because they know Americans overall dislike Asians as a whole. Americans are lashing out at all Asians using COVID-19 as an excuse. Some attackers have said they hate Koreans in using COVID-19 as an excuse. And yet petty little Asians are relegated to the scraps of focusing on which Asian ethnicities the US likes more to feel superior to the other that is what's important to them the most. Some in Beijing seem to still want to maintain an image that goes contrary to the larger narrative controlled by the West. That's because they futilely still hold Western opinion as having some value. How far ahead China would be today if they didn't hold worthless things of value? I'll guarantee you this whether the US goes down from war, competition, or because they own decadence and China is one on top, most of those today sucking up to the US will be sucking up to China because what it comes down to is which country has the money and therefore has the power. It's not like what the West wants to make you think where they're the most naturally favored and therefore forever. If it was, why would they be worried about China? All the things that annoy the Chinese are rooted in valuing the worthless things in life.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Russia has Donbas and Crimea to help launch her current campaign. China can do the same.

When the Taiwan red line is crossed or closed to being crossed, I can see China doing salami slicing of her own by taking possession, one after another, of remote islands currently under Taiwan administration, and IMO, in the following sequence :

(1) Penghu Islands
(2) Dongsha Island (Pratas Islands)
(3) Taiping Island
(4) Kinmen Islands
(5) Matsu Islands

China probably will take Penghu and Dongsha in one go. Controlling them means controlling the Southern part, if not all, of the Taiwan Strait. Dongsha has few residents and only lightly defended. But the Penghu Islands have just over 100K residents and is only 30 km from main Taiwan Island. So China needs to take it with surprise and lightning speed. Taking Penghu and Dongsha will be a preparation run for the PLA for eventual military unification with Taiwan. If China has problem with Penghu, she can forget about the main Taiwan Island.

Taiping Island, being the biggest island in the South China Sea with its own fresh water supply, is also of strategic value for China to further strengthen her dominance over the South China Sea.

Taking control of Kinmen and Matsu is a walkover for China due to their proximity to the Chinese coast. The two have few military value for China. But Kinmen does have about 130K civilian residence and 13K for Matsu. So the psychological impact of losing them is high for Taiwan.

Taking control of all these 5 groups of islands and fully militarize the first 3 may even induce Taiwan to negotiate a peaceful reunification instead of a military one.
 
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Arnies

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We are getting off topic. Before I stop, I will just say that your arguments are based on a complete misunderstanding of China. It is not an emgerging empire.

You are also underestimating the Indians. India in its current form cannot be a serious threat to China. But it will be a suicide for China to annex India.

This news is from today.. The only reasons the Americans aren't arming India is because of Pakistan they are afraid that Pakistan may see this as threat and cause profileration in some other areas as counter to this such as the ME etc etc.. But as you can clearly see they are doing it at the intentions of containing China. Besides Pakistan may not be able to block the Americans forever as we are drifting from each other. But we will definitely attempt to block any American arms coming into India.

The Americans probably wanna use India as cannon fodder which is obviously of concern.. They are part of this so-called cold 2.0

America will continue to support India with equipment it needs along LAC with China: Top US admiral​

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Bellum_Romanum

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From a stragetic point of view China won't charge at Taiwan before dealing with India as India is the key to everything for China and they also need India out of the way in order so that fortunes could change for them.. For the arrival of the sino era.. This frees up China entirely and there is not this thing that could be used against them as threat.

Hence the Chinese army takes India as security chellenge. This also automatically benefits Pakistan as this will also entirely free them up and go elsewhere.

Sino-Pak offense on India is of outmost need.. Conflict could be over much sooner then realized but the only issue is that China has things to lose and won't likely go thru with it until the world economy crashes or something but we must be prepared for the endgame once that economy bubble crashes and goes it will be 100-meter dash towards India
What meds have you been taking brother? That shit must have been expired or something because what you just posted is LOCO compadre.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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You can deny as much as you want but China is besieged from the east and in India. Keeping the line forever won't work eventually. But I can assure you that Pakistan will invade the Indians and re-annex it. They will not be hesitant to pull the trigger if the need rises. This is how fortunes change and empires emerge. You can't just sit forever.

I am not advocating for a conflicts don't get me wrong but certain political realities will eventually collide. We are confident in the complete annexation of India but you can't remain in defense and on the sidelines until entirety or otherwise you will be the one to be carved open.

Besides India has the most arable land in the world. Why do you think all these invasions happened in India? It was never due to a fluke but purely economically fuelled and if there is some sort of nuclear winter or other natural disasters India becomes viable bread basket..

Things don't happen in the political sphere due to petty reasons such as beefs or whatever but they happen for pragmatic reasons such as life nessecities economical collapses, droughts, natural disasters etc etc.
LOL another one.
 

Arnies

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What meds have you been taking brother? That shit must have been expired or something because what you just posted is LOCO compadre.

Will come to India’s defence in case of crisis: US​


March 12, 2022



Will come to India’s defence in case of crisis: US

WASHINGTON: The United States had extended essential security related assistance to New Delhi during India's border clashes with Chinese troops two years ago.

The US "did rapidly provide certain intelligence and capabilities" to the Indian government during its June 2020 border conflict with China, a senior Pentagon official revealed here.

During a hearing on the ‘National Security Challenges’ held by the US House Armed Services Committee, Assistant Secretary of Defence for Indo-Pacific Security Dr Ely Ratner told lawmakers that in the last several years, whenever the Indian government faced "aggression from China on the Line of Actual Control," the US rapidly provided "certain capabilities and intelligence," and that in the context of trying to improve trust and the nature of defence relationship with India. He also said that the US will come to India’s defence in case of a crisis.

Calling the security-related cooperation with India as a "defining moment" between the two countries, Dr Ratner said that the US-India defence relationship was one with incredible momentum.

"We are going to hold our highest, most senior level engagement with them [India] in early April. and that meeting will discuss a number of activities that not only are unprecedented but are kind of things that would have been unimaginable ten years ago - even five years ago," he said, adding that there were challenges with the relationship with India but those challenges were manageable and the two sides were moving forward very rapidly in deepening partnership."

Given the American support to India, a handful of members of the committee from both sides of the isle questioned New Delhi's stance on Russia's actions against Ukraine at the United Nations. The Modi government abstained from condemning the Russian attack on Ukraine. When questioned on India's dubious loyalty, the US defense official maintained that the US has been engaged with the Indian leadership about the issue.

He said that the US has been in a deep strategic conversation with India about the future of its partnership. "We recognise that India has a complicated in relationship with Russia - that majority of their weapons they have are from the Russians," Dr Ratner said, adding that India now was in a multi-year process of diversifying its arms purchases away from Russia. He further said that the US should also support India in increasing indigenisation of its defence industry.

Answering another related question, the assistant secretary maintained that India was an absolute essential partner as the US think about its Indo-Pacific strategy. "We are looking for them to purchase more US systems, more European systems and develop their own indigenous capabilities as well. And the trends are moving in the right direction," he said.

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China has been mentioned by name not only in this articles interview but in 100s of others in just last few days
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Will come to India’s defence in case of crisis: US​


March 12, 2022



Will come to India’s defence in case of crisis: US

WASHINGTON: The United States had extended essential security related assistance to New Delhi during India's border clashes with Chinese troops two years ago.

The US "did rapidly provide certain intelligence and capabilities" to the Indian government during its June 2020 border conflict with China, a senior Pentagon official revealed here.

During a hearing on the ‘National Security Challenges’ held by the US House Armed Services Committee, Assistant Secretary of Defence for Indo-Pacific Security Dr Ely Ratner told lawmakers that in the last several years, whenever the Indian government faced "aggression from China on the Line of Actual Control," the US rapidly provided "certain capabilities and intelligence," and that in the context of trying to improve trust and the nature of defence relationship with India. He also said that the US will come to India’s defence in case of a crisis.

Calling the security-related cooperation with India as a "defining moment" between the two countries, Dr Ratner said that the US-India defence relationship was one with incredible momentum.

"We are going to hold our highest, most senior level engagement with them [India] in early April. and that meeting will discuss a number of activities that not only are unprecedented but are kind of things that would have been unimaginable ten years ago - even five years ago," he said, adding that there were challenges with the relationship with India but those challenges were manageable and the two sides were moving forward very rapidly in deepening partnership."

Given the American support to India, a handful of members of the committee from both sides of the isle questioned New Delhi's stance on Russia's actions against Ukraine at the United Nations. The Modi government abstained from condemning the Russian attack on Ukraine. When questioned on India's dubious loyalty, the US defense official maintained that the US has been engaged with the Indian leadership about the issue.

He said that the US has been in a deep strategic conversation with India about the future of its partnership. "We recognise that India has a complicated in relationship with Russia - that majority of their weapons they have are from the Russians," Dr Ratner said, adding that India now was in a multi-year process of diversifying its arms purchases away from Russia. He further said that the US should also support India in increasing indigenisation of its defence industry.

Answering another related question, the assistant secretary maintained that India was an absolute essential partner as the US think about its Indo-Pacific strategy. "We are looking for them to purchase more US systems, more European systems and develop their own indigenous capabilities as well. And the trends are moving in the right direction," he said.
This is a predictable cold war strategy that the U.S. have employed. They have used the same moronic strategy with respect to the Pakistan VS India conflict since the two countries became separate entities. But if India is ever serious with it's great ambition to become a super power, it first needs to deal with very acute issues in that country not to mention the economic stagnation that country is undergoing. With the BJP being kings when it comes to electioneering but are severely brain dead when it comes to running a huge country with different ethnic groups, not to mention the largest Muslim population the last thing India needs is for her to spend scant resources on military purchases that will always be deficient against China plain and simple.

Tell me, how in the world is India going to be able to invade China based on your chicken little theory. The mere thought that India could miraculously invade China through the Himalayas, passing through Tibet or Xinjiang and making all the way to the capital is beyond a pooping joke. The logistics, the military competencies, and the will to fight, not to mention the discrepancies in military technology and power between China and India.

Come on dude. Come back to reality.
 

Arnies

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This is a predictable cold war strategy that the U.S. have employed. They have used the same moronic strategy with respect to the Pakistan VS India conflict since the two countries became separate entities. But if India is ever serious with it's great ambition to become a super power, it first needs to deal with very acute issues in that country not to mention the economic stagnation that country is undergoing. With the BJP being kings when it comes to electioneering but are severely brain dead when it comes to running a huge country with different ethnic groups, not to mention the largest Muslim population the last thing India needs is for her to spend scant resources on military purchases that will always be deficient against China plain and simple.

Tell me, how in the world is India going to be able to invade China based on your chicken little theory. The mere thought that India could miraculously invade China through the Himalayas, passing through Tibet or Xinjiang and making all the way to the capital is beyond a pooping joke. The logistics, the military competencies, and the will to fight, not to mention the discrepancies in military technology and power between China and India.

Come on dude. Come back to reality.

I am not saying India is other then garbage but that being said they are tool to be used. Again I am not saying they are superior to anyone here just saying they are a tool to be used hence by default a security risk and sleeping on them would be catastrophe and disregarding them as if they are Malawi.

When a puppet regime takes form in your backyard it is never a pleasant feeling specifically one that has just one design which is to contain a certain some people.

All I am saying is there is no crime in rising to the occasion and securing yourself and future when it becomes necessary
 

AssassinsMace

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If the US is not directly getting involved in Ukraine because they're afraid of being targeted directly by Russia, they won't be coming to India's defense. You only see this attention on Ukraine is because it's a white country. Americans aren't going to sacrifice their lives for Indians especially where Indians are the ones to start provocations like the 1962 war.

Did you hear that the US was about to release a statement rebuking India and the UAE for not supporting sanctions on Russia and then it was pulled at the last minute. Western sanctions aren't enough and pissing off India isn't going to help when US policies already pushed Russia towards China. The Western tendency to have knee-jerk reactions was halted by someone who unusually thinks in US politics.
 
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