Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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SanWenYu

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Depending on China's capabilities of fleet defense and sea lift, the logistical problems for PLA in a Taiwan scenario is not necessarily much harder than that the Russian military faces in Ukraine, if you look at the superimposed map of Taiwan over Ukraine.
I don't get it why he located Taibei where Kiev is. Was he thinking that China will attack the island from east?
 

Blitzo

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I don't get it why he located Taibei where Kiev is. Was he thinking that China will attack the island from east?

It's just to show the scale of where the main political center of each territory is relative to the geographical size, just for demonstration purposes.
It has nothing to do with the direction in which Russia conducted their operations or the way in which China would conduct an operation...
 

lcloo

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Information war.

I watched RT.com live news yesterday, (RT.com news is accessible here) and watched a talk show from several critics based in USA. It is interesting because theirs view are in big contrast to what we see in twitter/FB/Forums, and many points are rational and sensible.

My point is information war on Russian-Ukraine war is a point China should take very seriously, seeing how Russian is being isolated in information and consequently the economic fronts. If you don't fight the huge monster-like western media, your may lost many international support.

And the emotionally inspired support of many countries in supply of weapons and votings in UN works against Russia whose information accessibility has been denied because of the global control by western media. So intead of defending against such information assault, China must be on offensive in information propagation.

No doubt China has made progress in TV media like CGTN and Phoenix TV, more should be done on countering Youtube/Twitter/Instagram and based them outside US and their core allies. Weibo could launch an international version based in Hongkong, Tiktok should have another international version also preferably based in HK while the current USA based Tiktok should down graded to just "Tiktok USA". In Chinese this is call 未雨绸缪wèiyǔ-chóumóu, meaning be prepared in anticipation of certain future adverse event.

Pen is more powerful than bullets, and can cause more damages without firing a shot.
 
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56860

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Information war.

I watched RT.com live news yesterday, (RT.com news is accessible here) and watched a talk show from several critics based in USA. It is interesting because theirs view are in big contrast to what we see in twitter/FB/Forums, and many points are rational and sensible.

My point is information war on Russian-Ukraine war is a point China should take very seriously, seeing how Russian is being isolated in information and consequently the economic fronts. If you don't fight the huge monster-like western media, your may lost many international support.

And the emotionally inspired support of many countries in supply of weapons and votings in UN works against Russia whose information accessibility has been denied because of the global control by western media. So intead of defending against such information assault, China must be on offensive in information propagation.

No doubt China has made progress in TV media like CGTN and Phoenix TV, more should be done on countering Youtube/Twitter/Instagram and based them outside US and their core allies. Weibo could launch an international version based in Hongkong, Tiktok should have another international version also preferably based in HK while the current USA based Tiktok should down graded to just "Tiktok USA". In Chinese this is call 未雨绸缪wèiyǔ-chóumóu, meaning be prepare in anticipation of certain future adverse event.

Pen is more powerful than bullets, and can cause more damages without firing a shot.
CCP propaganda still has a long way to go to match western propaganda.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Information war.

I watched RT.com live news yesterday, (RT.com news is accessible here) and watched a talk show from several critics based in USA. It is interesting because theirs view are in big contrast to what we see in twitter/FB/Forums, and many points are rational and sensible.

My point is information war on Russian-Ukraine war is a point China should take very seriously, seeing how Russian is being isolated in information and consequently the economic fronts. If you don't fight the huge monster-like western media, your may lost many international support.

And the emotionally inspired support of many countries in supply of weapons and votings in UN works against Russia whose information accessibility has been denied because of the global control by western media. So intead of defending against such information assault, China must be on offensive in information propagation.

No doubt China has made progress in TV media like CGTN and Phoenix TV, more should be done on countering Youtube/Twitter/Instagram and based them outside US and their core allies. Weibo could launch an international version based in Hongkong, Tiktok should have another international version also preferably based in HK while the current USA based Tiktok should down graded to just "Tiktok USA". In Chinese this is call 未雨绸缪wèiyǔ-chóumóu, meaning be prepare in anticipation of certain future adverse event.

Pen is more powerful than bullets, and can cause more damages without firing a shot.
How?
 

gelgoog

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One other lesson is that traditional anti-air systems like S-300/400 and Patriot seem pretty helpless against cheap, low flying drones. Their radars are not optimized for low flying objects with small RCS. Defense against drones and loitering munition should include dedicate radar/countermeasures.
The Russians in Syria typically keep Pantsir around the S-400 because of that.
Pantsir is also being upgraded to have better capabilities against drone swarms.
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lcloo

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For a starter, get the world to understand a unbiased version of Taiwan from the era before Ming dynasty to present day.

Recent history of the occupation of Taiwan by Imperial Japan from Qing dynasty China to retreat of KMT to Taiwan during Chinese civil war are important history. Many non-Chinese and even young generation Taiwanese are not awared of such history.

Taiwanese Youtuber Hanguoren 寒国人 made many street interviews with Taiwanese youth, and exposed wide spread ignorance like "Where do you think your ancestors came from?", and many young Taiwanese replied with "We are descended from Japan/Korea/Taiwan Aborigines/don't know, and most absurd, Dutch", they practically denied their forefathers are from Mainland China because of biased school textbooks in Taiwan schools. And there are many more absurd answers to other questionares during the street interviews.

When the unification war break out, such group of ignorant Taiwanese can be a hindrance to smooth normalization of the island after the war. They will remain a possible force to sabotage re-building of the island.

Chinese information war should aimed at Taiwanese as well as foreigners to understand history of Taiwan and mainland China.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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For a starter, get the world to understand a unbiased version of Taiwan from the era before Ming dynasty to present day.

Recent history of the occupation of Taiwan by Imperial Japan from Qing dynasty China to retreat of KMT to Taiwan during Chinese civil war are important history. Many non-Chinese and even young generation Taiwanese are not awared of such history.

Taiwanese Youtuber Hanguoren 寒国人 made many street interviews with Taiwanese youth, and exposed wide spread ignorance like "Where do you think your ancestors came from?", and many young Taiwanese replied with "We are descended from Japan/Korea/Taiwan Aborigines/don't know, and most absurd, Dutch", they practically denied their forefathers are from Mainland China because of biased school textbooks in Taiwan schools. And there are many more absurd answers to other questionares during the street interviews.

When the unification war break out, such group of ignorant Taiwanese can be a hindrance to smooth normalization of the island after the war. They will remain a possible force to sabotage re-building of the island.

Chinese information war should aimed at Taiwanese as well as foreigners to understand history of Taiwan and mainland China.
Nobody is going to be swayed by a history lesson, least of all Westerners who hold China in bilious, racist contempt. Even if by some miracle this idea managed to sway Western public opinion, their governments will just censor and deplatform you the second you make any progress. What you're advocating is to march unarmed into enemy-controlled terrain.

If you're concerned about video from a Taiwan invasion going on social media, that problem has a much simpler solution: cut the submarine cables. Taiwan is a small island, it's connected to the world by a couple dozen fibre optic cables on the seabed and China knows where every single one of them is. Couple that with good EW and it'll be a total communications blackout on Taiwan.
 
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