Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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Stierlitz

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China should be prepared for a full-fledged war by 2025. when a Republican will inevitably enter White House. It will be forced to intervene as recognition of Taiwan province as a sovereign state is likely a next step for the U.S. Maybe that's for the best. The sooner China removes "Taiwan province card" out of U.S. hands the better.
 

HighGround

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I don't think Republicans are more dangerous than Democrats. Republicans are more about theatrics. I don't think they want anything that would test their merit. They would likely be perfectly OK with "being tough on China" but continuing the current policies. Democrats are more sinister and ideological. Biden admin, in particular, has been ultra-unwilling to compromise on anything and to leave any conflicts. Their policy seems to be gathering allies together by fanning conflicts everywhere. Has been somewhat successful so far. Republicans are more isolationists.

Lol, it was Republicans who invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and who gave the order to kill Qassem Soleimani.
 

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And it was Democrats who dismembered Serbia and it was Obama who bombed 7 countries simultaneously.
You're making my point for me. I think I know which one I prefer. Or are you seriously going to argue that invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was less destructive to Iraq and Afghanistan than the bombing of Serbia was to Serbia?
 

BoraTas

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You're making my point for me. I think I know which one I prefer. Or are you seriously going to argue that invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was less destructive to Iraq and Afghanistan than the bombing of Serbia was to Serbia?
No. All were equally criminal. But I think democrats are more dangerous for multiple reasons. They have a long track record of starting great power conflicts, blatantly intervening in foreign nations' internal affairs and fanning civil wars. Especially if we consider how common isolationist arguments have become among Republican voters, I don't think Republicans are more likely to cause a conflict in East Asia.
 

HighGround

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No. All were equally criminal. But I think democrats are more dangerous for multiple reasons. They have a long track record of starting great power conflicts, blatantly intervening in foreign nations' internal affairs and fanning civil wars. Especially if we consider how common isolationist arguments have become among Republican voters, I don't think Republicans are more likely to cause a conflict in East Asia.
Uh no. They are definitely not "equally" criminal.

Republican voters are definitely not isolationist whatsoever. In fact, they are more dangerous because they are afraid of China simply because they are not comfortable with a world that America does not dominate.

Democrat voters hate China because they perceive China as an authoritarian country that abuses its citizens.

In other words, Republican voters will always view China as an enemy, whereas Democrat voters are much more likely to change their minds.

Neither party will ever change its foreign policy, because foreign policy is ultimately run by the Pentagon, not by party loyalists. But don't forget that the people who started the trade war and were happy to blame China for all of America's shortcomings were Republicans. Not Democrats.
 

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You're making my point for me. I think I know which one I prefer. Or are you seriously going to argue that invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was less destructive to Iraq and Afghanistan than the bombing of Serbia was to Serbia?
Those wars were more or less destructive because of their specific circumstances, not because of whether the President had a D or R after their name.

A Republican president wasn't going to send troops in to Serbia back in 1999, and a Democrat president wasn't going to carpet bomb the Iraqis or Afghans any less. Each president has continued the policy of the last. I thought there would have been a change with Obama, but he was just a dark skinned version of his predecessor.
 

HighGround

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Those wars were more or less destructive because of their specific circumstances, not because of whether the President had a D or R after their name.

A Republican president wasn't going to send troops in to Serbia back in 1999, and a Democrat president wasn't going to carpet bomb the Iraqis or Afghans any less. Each president has continued the policy of the last. I thought there would have been a change with Obama, but he was just a dark skinned version of his predecessor.
Lol no, they absolutely are. H.W. Bush and GOP Pentagon insiders were advocating for US ground troops in Serbia. Look if you want to think both parties are the same, I'm not going to change your mind. People rarely do when it comes to politics.
 

Abominable

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One death something something tragedy, 1,000,000 something something statistic.
That saying is a relic of colonialism and draws on the notion that the life of a white European is somehow more important than that of an inferior race.

If a million Americans died, or an earthquake hit your hometown you certainly wouldn't consider it a statistic.
It is one matter to simply make light of a tragic event, while still knowing it was tragic, and wishing the best for those affected. Just about everyone has done this to some degree, likely including you.

It is another - in my opinion - to sincerely celebrate tragedy befalling a specific individual, dismissing or disparaging their good deeds, and denying the tragedy of the event altogether.

I have seen plenty of the latter on other platforms in reference to Pete's death. As such, hoping not to see it spread to this one, I chose to address why his death was especially bleak - that being, because he was one of the few truly good-hearted people out there, and was killed while trying to do nothing more than to help others.

Forgive me if I find Xi Jinping fart jokes to be less of a concern than the notion of people celebrating the death of someone that would have saved their life without a second thought.
In other words, it's okay for you to make jokes about tragedies that don't affect or bother you, but don't make fun about people who've died that do bother me.

You know I was going to post something about your friend who died in the other thread, but having read your post I deleted it. Not because I thought I was wrong, but I thought it was insensitive to be saying it if you actually knew the dude.
 
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