Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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Biscuits

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Actually, No. If it always about US-China war, why would US provoked China to attack Taiwan, with Nancy Pelosi visit several months ago?

I'm sure that US think tanks believed that Taiwan can become China's bottomless pit, just like Ukraine to Russia. They wouldn't provoke China, if the result would be a direct war between PRC and US. Because that would mean a nuclear exchange between the two. Even if it's not, US still doesn't get any benefit from this war.

Now, they can be wrong. But I'm sure that forgetting about their logistic route would be a very fatal calculation on their behalf. I'm sure that Taiwan logistic route has been considered by them, and they should have already have a plan to protect it.

In the event of Invasion, I'm sure that all Taiwan's sea asset, plus US 7th Fleet would be stationed on the eastern Taiwan sea. In the Miyako Strait. Their job is to secure the logistic route to the island. So how can PLAN disturb this route? I think the most critical lesson that China Mainland can get from Ukraine is about this logistic problem, and how to contain the island from outside force. Because without these logistic, even if China use the same method as Russia at the beginning of their "Special Operation" in Ukraine, they will win the war for sure. Taiwan's current war machines inventory can be wiped out in no time. But if Taiwan can always refill their weapon stock, the war will be prolonged like in Ukraine.

Plus the loss that PRC suffer because of their coastal cities got bombed by Taiwan's counter attack.
It is not remotely the same thing because unlike Russia, China is fighting on its home territory and it is a defensive war against US forces, so they will send the entire military, for the sake of survival.

And if US is smart, they will not send a small force and hope China just surrenders for no reason, they need to start a draft and approach the war seriously, or they would get smashed because the margin of error will be very small.
 
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It is not remotely the same thing because unlike Russia, China is fighting on its home territory and it is a defensive war against US forces, so they will send the entire military, for the sake of survival.

And if US is smart, they will not send a small force and hope China just surrenders for no reason, they need to start a draft and approach the war seriously, or they would get smashed because the margin of error will be very small.
Then why would they provoke Mainland China again and again with Taiwan issue? Their adventurism with Pelosi's visit was really a very dangerous incident that could start the war. I think there is only one possible answer. They (US think tanks) believe that they can win against China. But not only win. Because a Pyrrhic victory is a lost to the US side calculation.

I think a direct war between US and China can also to be considered as a lost to US side. Because that war will be very devastated to both. And that is not what US want. If their goal is to protect their world hegemony position, then being devastated mean that they can't achieve their goal. Unless, of course, it is their allies that will absorb the destruction, and not them.

So I think these are some of US calculation (not all) for the Taiwan conflict :
1. US has geographical advantage compared to China, as China need to pass Japan to reach US soil.
2. US will utilize their allies, for example Japan and Philippine to absorb their lost in battle. Also to add more calculus to their advantage.
3. US objective is to destroy China's economy growth, to ensure that China can't compete against them. Taiwan is a trap to bring China into a prolonged war that can exhausted China's resource. Plus, this war can also give US the justification to cut China's sea trading route in Malaka Strait and others.

4. If they can, US prefer an indirect involvement in the conflict. They will use Taiwan as the 2nd Ukraine. If Taiwan need reinforcement, they will use Philippine and Japanese army to replenish Taiwan force. Maybe, US will eventually join the fray, but only after China weakened, so they can declare victory against China.

So what should China do, and what does China learn from Ukraine war to deter US?
1. China need allies that located at strategic location globally, and help them economically, and militarily. To deter US intervention against them. This Allies can change the calculus in China - US rivalry. Of course, US will do whatever they can to deter the country from joining China side. But these Allies should be prioritized by Beijing. To do this, China has to abandon their Lone Wolf mentality and become a Wolf Pack one. Because being an ally mean that China can't only think about their interest alone, but also to the Ally interest.

2. China need to deter US allies around the East and South East Asia, by any mean necessary. Ukraine war does not only teach China, but also to US Allies, too. They can learn that getting involve in a two Superpower conflict means that they can become the next Ukraine. I think China has already has doing this, but with limited success. It is because those countries fear US more than China. And they think that take side with US has more advantaged compared to China.

3. China needs to help Russia from being destroyed because Ukraine war. There are two reasons for this. 1st Because Russia has Nukes. And 2nd, because Russia can directly strike US soils with their nukes, unlike China that surrounded by US Allies. With this, China can deter US more. Plus they have ports at the eastern side of Russia that can directly sail into US mainland (not Alaska).

4. There are two countries in South East Asia that very important to China and US in the conflict. 1st Philippine, 2nd Indonesia. Both countries located at a very strategic location that can contain China, or to become the gate for China to the oceans. If they side with US, then these two countries will become the battlefield for China. But if they side with China, US influence in the whole South East Asia will crumble. But once again, China need to discard their lone wolf mentality.

The problem is, Beijing handled Philippine wrongfully before, so they become antagonistic to China.

Now, what Beijing can learn from Ukraine War that they can implemented to the future (possible) Taiwan war?

I can only say about one matter. Because everything else has been discussed before. Taiwan logistic route problem. I'm sure that Taiwan will use their eastern shore to recieved weapons and logistic from US and Allies. And they (US, Taiwan, Japan) will definitely protect this route with everything they have.
 

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I think the most significant lessons that China can learn from Ukraine conflict is that you can't finish a war without closing down Taiwan's supply route. As long as US and their allies can supply Taiwan side with weapons, etc, Taiwan struggle won't be end. The problem is, that Taiwan may have some secret supply route in underground that can connect their land with US base in Okinawa. And that problem will be hard to be resolved. Unless China has a missile / torpedo that can penetrate underground bunker under the sea.
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I suggest more reading less speculating, hardly anything you wrote makes any sense.
 

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I suggest more reading less speculating, hardly anything you wrote makes any sense.
He did realize that it was totally unrealistic for there to be any underground tunnel from Taiwan to Japan/US land etc.

Although it was only after we pointed out how ridiculous and unrealistic it was.

His unrealistic view of what would happen still does continue in his following post: Post #2991 in this thread
 

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It is America which has consistently and foolishly put far too many eggs in China's basket, part due to economically necessity but also due to greed.

When America invades, just watch them and anyone stupid enough to support them mope and whine when all their hard work, assets and money is confiscated to help the communist national defense government.

Their castles of sand will be smashed.
 

alfreddango

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It is America which has consistently and foolishly put far too many eggs in China's basket, part due to economically necessity but also due to greed.

When America invades, just watch them and anyone stupid enough to support them mope and whine when all their hard work, assets and money is confiscated to help the communist national defense government.
isn't china doing the same though? catl is opening a factory in the us with ford, that's gonna be the one the first assets to be seized in the event of war I reckon
 

HighGround

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isn't china doing the same though? catl is opening a factory in the us with ford, that's gonna be the one the first assets to be seized in the event of war I reckon
Uh yes, because "greed" is good. America (my country) wasn't foolish to build factories in China or whatever. The idiocy was in attempting to tell another country on how it should be run. Not to mention the blatant interventionism in the Chinese Civil War that led to the Taiwan issue in the first place.

Economic trade is just fine. In fact, I'd encourage it. Autarky isn't a good thing.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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isn't china doing the same though? catl is opening a factory in the us with ford, that's gonna be the one the first assets to be seized in the event of war I reckon
Everything can be seized, it's just a matter of who has more. It's also possible that CATL builds a module plant in the US with the component cells being shipped in from China, so if China gets sanctioned, that factory is useless.
 
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