Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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AndrewS

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In for a penny, in for a pound; if Indonesia is allowing the PLA or the USN to station assets in its own territory, may as well go the whole hog and pick a side since the other side is going to consider Indonesia a valid military target

I highly doubt that Indonesia will allow either the PLA or USN to station assets on Indonesian territory. The whole point is to keep Indonesia neutral and not to overtly take sides
 

drowingfish

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Lmao in peacetime China is parking DDGs in Sydney as well.

During wartime, Indonesia doesn't want burning B52s to crash right into their cities. How will they explain to their civilians? Better to dodge this hot potato all together by declaring neutrality.


If it's Tindal or even further away, it shows that US is almost certainly just bluffing about invading.

They need major buildup in Philippines (ofc only works if they can sway them) and SK if they are to pull off a succesful offense.
thank you, finally someone smart enough to bring up the Philippines. australia is relatively safe from chinese fires yes, but in order to launch an attack there the USAF will have to first take out the chinese islands in the SCS, that would give away their intent and forfeit the element of surprise.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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ACuriousPLAFan

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Wether Indonesia likes it or not, it has to pick a side, the same way Norway back in WWII complained about British and German ships intruding and mining their waters until the nazi invasion.
Will the Chinese forces or the joint US+Australian forces invade Indonesia in order to force them to choose their sides? I don't think so.

Besides, neither China nor the US+Australia have enough manpower and equipment to pour against the opposing side AND Indonesia - China is already giving the US big enough headaches in the Western Pacific, and vice versa.

The best thing that Indonesia could do is to:
1. Impose strict neutrality;
2. Continue trading with both China and the US; and
3. Make herself as much of a porcupine for both the US+Australia (and China, fairly so) as possible.
 

Biscuits

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On a side note, with Russian MIC busy stuck replenishing their military strength for the near future, there's a very real chance for China to gobble up all that arms export market share.
With the war proving the ineffectiveness of Russian arms industry while separating the west and Russia irreversibly, it fully opens the door for limitless cooperation.

Russia needs Chinese arms and tech on an industrial scale. Russia's best and brightest can contribute to China's own cutting edge industries, where their talents will not be wasted by a capitalist system.

Such changes will further shore up the security and advancement of the socialist project.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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With the war proving the ineffectiveness of Russian arms industry while separating the west and Russia irreversibly, it fully opens the door for limitless cooperation.

Russia needs Chinese arms and tech on an industrial scale. Russia's best and brightest can contribute to China's own cutting edge industries, where their talents will not be wasted by a capitalist system.

Such changes will further shore up the security and advancement of the socialist project.
Russia can be China's Canada+Japan. the key is going to be selling them tools, and Russian using those tools to be independent, while establishing Chinese tools as the de facto standard in Russia. The key is to control the tools, not the market. TSMC for instance has the market, but no tools. Guess what happens when those with the tools asks TSMC for anything? They bend the knee because they know market goes to 0 without the tools.

Imagine Russia with Chinese machine tools, industrial robots, 5G, semiconductor equipment, etc. making vehicles, airplanes, power chips, etc. and mining, smelting, etc. All of it has a Russian brand name and Russia gets the export market in raw materials/final goods that China doesn't make - Russia wins. Much of it is made using Chinese tools - China also wins, because China right now need toolmakers, not just product makers.
 

infinity_wor;d

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With the war proving the ineffectiveness of Russian arms industry while separating the west and Russia irreversibly, it fully opens the door for limitless cooperation.

Russia needs Chinese arms and tech on an industrial scale. Russia's best and brightest can contribute to China's own cutting edge industries, where their talents will not be wasted by a capitalist system.

Such changes will further shore up the security and advancement of the socialist project.
Seriously? Russians are doing quite well producing all kinds of equipment compared with NATO combined.
 

tankphobia

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Why does China even need Russia for anything? The only thing that Russia has currently over China is Submarine technologies, in every other military field China is an equal if not ahead. Russia would only be a source of raw resource for China after this war.
 
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