Consumer market - a fraction of 145mil is still a large number. And the more closely you're involved in their / joint research programs the more incentive they have to promote your / joint product
Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario
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unless China can physically move the country away from Russia, Russia is going to be the inheritors of the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Mongols, etc. the northern kingdoms have always had a dynamic interaction with the central plains empires. Most of the time, the northern kingdoms were vassals of the central plains empires, only occasionally becoming stronger, and Russia is no stranger to that pattern. Northern kingdoms buy manufactured goods and tools to make their own engines of war and they may or may not use them against the central plains empires depending on relative strength.
it is just as futile to think about physically moving China away just to 'own the Russians' on Twitter, as it is for Japanese nationalists to fantasize about moving themselves to the Atlantic ocean so they can join Europe and 'own the sh*na" on Twitter.
To get an idea of how utterly ridiculous this is, compare the number of Su-57s to F-35s.
Indonesia does not need to do this, it simply authorizes overflights by USAF/RAAF aircraft in their ADIZ that simply advertise neutrality while providing indirect support to the American and allied war effort. For the Americans and their diplomatic effort achieve this is much easier than simply forcing Indonesia to choose a side and in case China attacks Indonesia which I don't believe, but would force the Indonesians to take the American side.
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Indonesia would have to authorise overflights by the USAF over Indonesian internal territory, not the ADIZ.
US bombers flying through Indonesian territory are fair game for the Chinese to attack.
Then you have air battles over domestic Indonesian airspace and the chaos this creates
Did you read the document I attached? In addition to other bureaucratic overflight situations, foreign aircraft are prohibited from flying close to shore within 10 percent of the distance between the closest points on the islands bordering the Archipelagic Sea Lane.
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The territory includes part of Indonesia's ADIZ. Or am I wrong?
The key point is innocent passage. No US military aircraft can be regarded as "innocently passing" through in a time of war, especially if they're on the way to bomb China.
Ignore the ADIZ claims as they have no international standing.
If Indonesia allows US bombers through Indonesian airspace, the Chinese military will intercept in that same airspace.
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Think about the politics and optics. The Indonesian government allows US bombers to attack China.
Would anyone in Indonesia be surprised if the Chinese military and the US military start fighting battles over the ship/air routes connecting Sulawesi and Java?
At no time did I say that this is an innocent passage, only that Indonesia allowed allied air operations in its ADIZ against China while in the diplomatic effort they tend to adopt the supposed neutrality, that is, Indonesia did not adopt a direct stance against China, but China can take this as a direct message and attack Indonesia.
But it has Indonesian legal status. Will you believe in international endorsements more than national documents, even more so in war? Did you read the document?
That's what I've been saying since the penultimate page of this thread. haha
They will have to create a no-fly zone and risk shooting down Indonesian aircraft. What situation do you think this will create when China disproportionately responds as a miscalculation?
But that's where I'm making a provocation. Under indirect assistance, Indonesia would authorize air passage and operations in their ADIZ where they would have some national protection and support, but in direct air operations, they would not engage in combat against China, if China has the excuse to start bombing and shooting down Indonesian aircraft would be a great excuse for them to join the direct American war effort against China. Or do you think they will adopt neutrality at the risk of potential conflict with China? I can already tell you that this is very weak evidence.
Just as a comparison, I'm answering exactly this comment of yours:
That is, Indonesia would adopt a neutral stance in the diplomatic field and would not openly take sides, but would indirectly help the American war effort against China, this is very different from an aid in the direct war effort such as allowing ships to dock and allowing the takeoff and landing of American aircraft in the national territory. It's all a matter of perspective.
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It will be ''you stay neutral and let us through or we bomb you...'' situation. Indonesia will open their airspace for both sides but will not accept weapons on the ground. They are not crazy, better to have a bomber getting shotdown over your territories than going back to stoneage. I don't think China will use other countries like punching balls to protect them the same way the US does. So they will not put weapons system in Indonesia to counter US or ask to choose sides. For Indonesia it's way clever to stay neutral...
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