J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

[luosifen]

I guess A2G will be handled by the J-15s/UCAVs, unless they want to use external pylons for low threat environments?

 

[Schwerter_]

Judging from the new photo that just came out, the J-35 could even have trouble fitting in 1000-lb class weapons. Looks like it is slated to become a mini-F-22 from a weapons perspective...all air-to-air with an emergency A2G capability if absolutely required.

I wonder what your point is based on, since the new photo shows absolutely nothing in regards to main weapon bay size or depth.

Also I've attached a screenshot of a fc-31 promotion video (from Zhuhai Airshow if I'm not mistaken), unless my math is very very much mistaken 500kg is just about 1000-lb.

The FC-31 has always been marketed as a multi-role jet with at least "decent" A2G capability, and I see no reason to assume the J-XY is not similarly designed.

edit: actually now I'm not sure if its a video screenshot of promotion photos at the airshow, but the point still stands

 

[Jingle Bells]

Judging from the new photo that just came out, the J-35 could even have trouble fitting in 1000-lb class weapons. Looks like it is slated to become a mini-F-22 from a weapons perspective...all air-to-air with an emergency A2G capability if absolutely required.

I don't think 1000-lb class would be a problem, as it is a readily available and widely used in PLAN and PLAAF already. 2000lb (1000kg) class might be a problem as the PLA hasn't yet shown to have put any 1000kg class into commission other than the KAB1500 for the Su-30s. The Chinese MIC certainly have 1000kg class PGMs available, but I don't think medium weight platforms (J-10, J-31) was designed with the option/requirement for carrying this class of smart bombs.

 

[Deino]

Zoom in on the engine nozzles of the above photo. I've noticed that the nozzles are different from that of any other Chinese engine we've seen so far with the exception of this:

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In fact, the nozzle edges (specifically the serrations) and the internal "ring" closely match that of the above alleged WS-19. We also know that the WS-13 is supposedly very similar to the RD-93 to the point of the two being indistinguishable, so we can probably rule out the WS-13.

That means that there is a probability of the J-35 using WS-19 engines in its current form.

Agreed, but in fact it could also be that this alleged WS-19 was not really a WS-19 but merely an updated/improved WS-13, maybe the one @huitong mentioned as the WS-21?

 

[latenlazy]

Agreed, but in fact it could also be that this alleged WS-19 was not really a WS-19 but merely an updated/improved WS-13, maybe the one @huitong mentioned as the WS-21?

It’s possible they stuck a WS-19 nozzle design onto a WS-13 derivative. It might make sense in the same way that the WS-10B3 might be sharing the same nozzle design with the WS-15. It’s also possible what we thought was the WS-19 was actually a WS-13 derivative. I think without a big shrimp confirming the details or some other official documentation we just won’t know for sure.

 

[Blitzo]

Judging from the new photo that just came out, the J-35 could even have trouble fitting in 1000-lb class weapons. Looks like it is slated to become a mini-F-22 from a weapons perspective...all air-to-air with an emergency A2G capability if absolutely required.

There is nothing about this new image that gives us any more information about the weapons bay depth which we couldn't already surmise.

It should have been plainly obvious since the pictures emerged last year that it obviously wouldn't have the ability to carry 2000lb/1000kg class weapons -- whether it will be able to carry 1000lb/500kg class weapons in the form of PGMs or powered weapons however, is not something we can confidently rule in or out.


As always, in absence of clear pictures, we are obliged to defer to past rumours, which had stated both J-20 and J-XY/35 will be intended to carry up to four 300km ranged ALCMs in their weapons bay and intended to carry the same number of A2A weapons, meaning for us, the next characteristic of J-XY/35's weapons bay that we should seek to clarify is -- are the dimensions of J-XY/35's weapons bay of the same dimensions as that of J-20?


I would add that being able to carry four ALCMs (something like between KH-59MK2 or JSM/SOM) internally would be a very capable strike loadout for both J-XY/35 and J-20, and somewhat more sensible than seeking to have the ability to carry a large diameter 2000lb/1000kg class PGM, after all, that sort of diameter/length profile like that of F-35's central weapons stations would only really be useful for unpowered strike weapons, as powered strike weapons you would have the option to design a more slender profile anyway,

 

[sndef888]

What a great time to be a PLA watcher, it's absolutely beautiful, like an F35 but not ugly

Would be funny if it came out with WS19s before the J20 got WS15

 

[HeQin]

Agreed, but in fact it could also be that this alleged WS-19 was not really a WS-19 but merely an updated/improved WS-13, maybe the one @huitong mentioned as the WS-21?

Any idea about ws-19

That's a screen capture of an animation showing 3D thrust-vectoring tech at 2018 Zhuhai Airshow. I don't think it has anything to do with WS-19.

P.S. Ignore the fanboy video title, as it's not actually related to WS-15.

What is the spesification of ws-19?

 

[Red tsunami]

Any idea about ws-19

What is the spesification of ws-19?

I remember Fu Qianshao said 110kn.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I wonder what your point is based on, since the new photo shows absolutely nothing in regards to main weapon bay size or depth.

Also I've attached a screenshot of a fc-31 promotion video (from Zhuhai Airshow if I'm not mistaken), unless my math is very very much mistaken 500kg is just about 1000-lb.

The FC-31 has always been marketed as a multi-role jet with at least "decent" A2G capability, and I see no reason to assume the J-XY is not similarly designed.

edit: actually now I'm not sure if its a video screenshot of promotion photos at the airshow, but the point still stands

That’s carried externally.