Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Ooooof... Third tier so called hypersonic missile easily humiliates the Wests best interceptors. That missile doesn't even look like much more than a marv ballistic missile. A glider would be many magnitudes harder to intercept.

Ukraine and Israel wars are absolutely clowning western air defence missiles. Russian 1990s missiles easily getting through everything from iris t land based to modernised patriots.

Russian AD not that much better but balanced evidence suggests they're main weaknesses (present on both sides) is saturation attacks from cheap drones.

i would have expected the discrediting of missile defense as a concept to prompt more restraint across the board, but i guess not.

the question of who betrayed syria seems almost beside the point, if conditions had gotten to the point where such a weird controlled demolition could happen then it was already a lost cause. the most likely chain still seems like some kind of army coup paid by israel and/or turkey after which both putin and iran saw what was up and cut their losses.

sheogorath said:

Houthi ballistic missile hit Tel Aviv last night. Seems the Arrows couldn't do much about it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870298544034218081

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Arrow 3 isn't "supposed" to have an exploding warhead. Neither David's Sling. Both of these are "supposed" to intercept purely by kinetic impact. The Tamir missile in the Iron Dome has an exploding warhead. So, either this is Iron Dome or it is Arrow/David's Sling not doing what's it's supposed to (i.e. exploding).

The funny thing is, visible explosions of the interceptors were used as a benchmark of a successful interception by Apartheid apologists. Here, we have interceptors exploding, suggesting (by their logic) a successful interception.

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Meanwhile..

USN responded to the Tel Aviv attacks by shooting down an F/A-18 over the Red Sea, in an "accidental" friendly fire by a DDG, while on a mission to target Yemen

Yemen claimed responsibility

iBBz said:

It is amazing how you always resort to insulting people on this forum by calling them biased and emotional and consider the utilization of terrorist organizations by Western powers an act of competence, yet blame Iran's problems on your imaginary "Ayatollahs" despite the fact that Iran isn't in breach of international law and has cooperated with the IAEA during the JCPOA agreement and the US pulled out and refused to lift the sanctions. You don't even mention the sanctions once in your empty essay of propaganda and instead, you frame it as if it's Iran that has closed it's borders, isolated itself from the world and shot itself in the head.

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Of course the sanctions is due to Iran's ayatollahs government policies obviously. Do you forget that? When you make your bed and decide your policies you need to make sure your country is able to handle rhe consequences and thrive through it(if you think it cant and still go ahead with it just because of some ideological reason then that is a wrong kind of leadership). The regime adopted a radical revolutionary policy from the start after they took power. This had been engrained in the regimes legitimacy,ideology and doctrine so its difficult for them to change this policy since the regime raison d'être relies on that. So it makes things difficult to change course despite the passing of time. Apart from the foreign policy blunders of anti US/iSrael/West at all cost and trying to export their own version of islamist revolutionary ideology in the region/Arab world (which was the regimes stated explicit policy immediately after the revolution), the other major reason for the countrys economic failure is also due to internal policies oligarchical corruption in Iran, where 80 percent of the economy is controlled by governmental or religious entities, and political connections, low government effectiveness, nepotism etc etc. So all these factors contribute to the countrys economic malaise.
The country needs urgent almost revolutionary reforms and complete revampt of its policies. Because if the status quo carries on for long the regime risk falling at some point.
So Iran needs to refocus on fixing her economy and reset her relations with the west and intergartes her economy into the global system and attract much needed foriegn investment. They should forget about this silly games of involving in Arab countries rivalries,issues and palestine for now. Rebuid their economy into a strong one before thinking of acting as a great power. China despite having over 100times stronger economic and industrial power than Iran still focuses on herself and improving her economy and living standards while moving up the value chain. You dont ever see Chinese leaders talking about getting involved in foriegn issues or even talking of taking on the West or whatever. They actually always talk up cooperation and business integration despite rhe countrys huge economic power. Iran needs such pragmatoc leadership.

Michael90 said:

Of course the sanctions is due to Iran's ayatollahs government policies obviously. Do you forget that? When you make your bed and decide your policies you need to make sure your country is able to handle rhe consequences and thrive through it(if you think it cant and still go ahead with it just because of some ideological reason then that is a wrong kind of leadership). The regime adopted a radical revolutionary policy from the start after they took power. This had been engrained in the regimes legitimacy,ideology and doctrine so its difficult for them to change this policy since the regime raison d'être relies on that. So it makes things difficult to change course despite the passing of time. Apart from the foreign policy blunders of anti US/iSrael/West at all cost and trying to export their own version of islamist revolutionary ideology in the region/Arab world (which was the regimes stated explicit policy immediately after the revolution), the other major reason for the countrys economic failure is also due to internal policies oligarchical corruption in Iran, where 80 percent of the economy is controlled by governmental or religious entities, and political connections, low government effectiveness, nepotism etc etc. So all these factors contribute to the countrys economic malaise.
The country needs urgent almost revolutionary reforms and complete revampt of its policies. Because if the status quo carries on for long the regime risk falling at some point.
So Iran needs to refocus on fixing her economy and reset her relations with the west and intergartes her economy into the global system and attract much needed foriegn investment. They should forget about this silly games of involving in Arab countries rivalries,issues and palestine for now. Rebuid their economy into a strong one before thinking of acting as a great power. China despite having over 100times stronger economic and industrial power than Iran still focuses on herself and improving her economy and living standards while moving up the value chain. You dont ever see Chinese leaders talking about getting involved in foriegn issues or even talking of taking on the West or whatever. They actually always talk up cooperation and business integration despite rhe countrys huge economic power. Iran needs such pragmatoc leadership.

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I like how your point could be summed up as Iran needs to recognize Israel in order to be viewed as "civilized" by the west...

Something more lighthearted:

BREAKING NEWS

Mossad chief urges direct strike on Iran in response to Houthi attacks - report​

During high-level discussions within Israel’s political and security leadership, Mossad chief David (Dedi) Barnea reportedly called for a direct strike on Iran following recent attacks by the Houthi militia, Channel 13 News reported on Sunday.

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"We need to target the head; striking only the Houthis won’t be enough," Barnea reportedly stated during the meetings.

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tamsen_ikard said:

Azeri's were kicked out of Nagorno Karabakh too. But Demographics was in their favor(3 times population) and once they gained enough strength, they took it over again and Armenians evacuated on their own.

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the Armenians don't have nukes, Israel does have nukes. Israel has the full backing of the US empire. Armenia has the backng of exactly no one not even Russia in regards to Nagorno karabakh. at best Armenia would have some politicians in the west or Russia expressing support. it is actually Azebaijan that has the backing of Israel. that is why the Azeris got karabakh. Arabs already outnumber Israel. 400million Arabs to 7 million jews. but guess what.. Arabs don't care about Palestine. actions speek louder than words. Israel is turning Palestinian children into minced meat and the Arabs do nothing. Arabs couldn't care less.

tamsen_ikard said:

If China had a century of Humiliation, maybe the Arabs could have 2 centuries of Humiliation. But eventually all humans will industrialize, their military power will equalize and difference between countries will be their population strength.

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you talk about arabs as if they are one singular empire. there are multiple arab countries and these countries have conflicting interests and they are usually hostile to each other.

actually the only country that is truely willing to have a military conflict with Israel over Palestine is Iran. now after the loss of Syria the supply line to Hezbolah has been cut off. if Hezbollah decided to disarm because they won't get supplied anymore Iran may decide to also forget about Palestine.

comparing China to the "Arabs" makes no sense. first of all the Chinese are not muslims. they don't care about religion rather they care about their country. Arabs on the other hand are muslims who put religion above the nation. and to make matters worse there are Sunni arabs and shia arabs. outside of Palestine the biggest priority for the sunni arab is to drink the blood of the shia arab because the shia are considered kafir. ironicaly it is actually the shia arabs in Lebanon and Yemen who are actually intervening militarily to help Palestine while the Sunni arabs are busy scheming against the Shia in those countries.

Palestine is F'ed. unfortunately all these deaths will go in vain due to the loss of Syria.

in regards to going through 1 or 2 centuries of humiliation.. for Palestine it's not gonna be a century of humiliation but rather they will go through a century of annihilation. the Arabs on the other hand will continue to do their usual business. if prosperity is the threshold at which the Arabs will finaly make a move on Palestine then the gulf states should have done something against Israel a long time ago since they have been quite prosperous for as long as I can remember. yet what we see is that the more prosperous the gulf gets the more normalization with Israel they do. if you think those shieks in Riyadh & Dubai will sacrafice their thrones & Bugattis & skycrapers for the sake of a dead nation then you are sorely mistaken.

you can't make this shit up.

Mahmoud Abbas launches military operation in the west bank. operation "protecting the homeland" is aimed at the resistance factions in the west bank.

The cities and camps of the West Bank are experiencing a state of anticipation and anxiety as the Palestinian Authority security services continue their security campaign against the resistance fighters in Jenin camp, which is considered the second largest camp in the West Bank.

Under the slogan "Protecting the Homeland," the Palestinian Authority security services continue their siege of Jenin camp in the northern West Bank for the third week in a row, under the pretext of imposing the law, arresting those they described as outlaws, and disarming them.

Until Saturday evening, the Authority confirmed that its security services "continue to pursue the militants and those behind them," and that it will not back down from that, will not make any concessions, and will not submit to any "settlement or deals that prevent that."

Rare footage of US Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft in action in Syria. The A-10 Thunderbolt II was developed in 1972 and is considered one of the best in the world, just like the Russian Su-25 attack aircraft. The video was filmed from afar, with the A-10 Thunderbolt attacking positions of the former Syrian Army. A-10 Thunderbolt Supports Kurdish Offensive