Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

FriedButter

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Syria was done for by the first minute. It was already dead. 350 guys on bikes had completely routed an army of 30,000 in Aleppo.

All the Russian ground units had already been withdrawn post 2020 agreement and for the Ukraine SMO.

Aleppo taken by 350 militants while 30,000 gov’t troops retreated without fight — Putin​

The Russian president recalled that no Russian land troops had been deployed to Syria, with Russia having only an airbase and a naval base

MOSCOW, December 19. /TASS/. The Syrian city of Aleppo was taken by 350 militants while some 30,000 government troops and pro-Iranian units withdrew, giving no resistance, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"When groups of armed opposition approached Aleppo, approximately 30,000 troops were defending Aleppo, 350 militants took the city. Government troops along with the so-called pro-Iranian units retreated without putting up a fight. They just blew up their strongholds and left," he said at his combined annual press conference and question-and-answer session, adding that the same happened across all of Syria, with rare exceptions.

The Russian president recalled that no Russian land troops had been deployed to Syria, with Russia having only an airbase and a naval base. "We withdrew even from there due to the special military operation [in Ukraine]. We did not fight there at all," he stressed.

Armed opposition units in Syria launched a large-scale offensive on government troops in the Aleppo and Idlib governorates in late November. On December 8, they entered Damascus, while President Bashar Assad stepped down and fled the country. On December 10, Mohammed al-Bashir, who had led the so-called Syrian Salvation Government in the Idlib governorate, announced his appointment as head of Syria’s interim government, saying that the transitional period will last until March 1, 2025. According to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, Iran has convincing evidence that the developments in Syria were orchestrated by the United States and Israel with support from a "neighboring country."
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coolgod

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Syria was done for by the first minute. It was already dead. 350 guys on bikes had completely routed an army of 30,000 in Aleppo.

All the Russian ground units had already been withdrawn post 2020 agreement and for the Ukraine SMO.


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From Putin's answer about Syria in the interview, it seems like Iran was the one who sold Syria out. I've seen both Russians and Iranians subtly accusing the other of selling Syria out. Russian planes were at least dropping bombs, while the Iranians ground troops were nowhere to be seen.

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I see three sellouts in this video. It seems like Israel's greatest strategic victory these past few years were the assassination of Raisi and Soleimani.
 
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sutton999

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Iran has hatched a plan to withdraw since the days of TP1, every blow that happens in between could be planned events by some powerful mullahs (not necessarily approved by the state).

An Iranian company ordered these pagers for Hezbollah to switch.
Pezeshkian needed to be in place months before Trump took office.

Now the focus is on Turkey, Iran has been off the hook.
 

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It also demonstrated that Israel can only do very limited damage to the Iranian military without American help while Iranian missiles could destroy Israeli semiconductor fabs in case of war
Do limited damage? Israel bypassed layers of Iranian air defense and delivered precision strikes on their missile facilities, hampering their production. What makes you think Iran is capable of hitting Israeli semiconductor fabs?
But with Hezbollah shown to be something Israel can handle and Syria fallen, Iran has much less influence and interests to protect in the region.
Precisely, how is Iran exactly stronger after October 7th?
In the past, Israeli terrorists would kill Iranian scientists with no consequences, now Iran has gained the confidence to retaliate
If Iran's missile barrage was meant to show their retaliation capability the Israelis obviously didn't get the memo since their retaliation actually destroyed tangible targets in Iran. The ball was then in Iran's court to retaliate, but as nothing has happened since then, they proved they have no deterrent capabilities against Israel. Which is no wonder why both Israel and America are talking so brazenly and openly about striking Iranian nuclear facilities.
Afghanistan was also a loss for America but arguably a loss they are benefitting from. It is not too different for Iran in Syria. You can call it cope if you like, but the US has won by surrendering Afghanistan
Not even in the same ballpark. Afghanistan was an imperial side project for America at best, rather than a core interest. Losing the Axis of Resistance is to Iran what losing South Korea and Japan would be to America, or for that matter what losing the Eastern Bloc was to the Soviet Union. A massive blow to their power projection capabilities and a signal that their days of being a relevant power were gone.

Agree with statement that Iran's need to start building nukes, because from where they stand, that's the only guarantee they have in terms of survival in the face of Israel and America since all their other options are now gone.
 

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Do limited damage? Israel bypassed layers of Iranian air defense and delivered precision strikes on their missile facilities, hampering their production. What makes you think Iran is capable of hitting Israeli semiconductor fabs?

Precisely, how is Iran exactly stronger after October 7th?

If Iran's missile barrage was meant to show their retaliation capability the Israelis obviously didn't get the memo since their retaliation actually destroyed tangible targets in Iran. The ball was then in Iran's court to retaliate, but as nothing has happened since then, they proved they have no deterrent capabilities against Israel. Which is no wonder why both Israel and America are talking so brazenly and openly about striking Iranian nuclear facilities.

Not even in the same ballpark. Afghanistan was an imperial side project for America at best, rather than a core interest. Losing the Axis of Resistance is to Iran what losing South Korea and Japan would be to America, or for that matter what losing the Eastern Bloc was to the Soviet Union. A massive blow to their power projection capabilities and a signal that their days of being a relevant power were gone.

Agree with statement that Iran's need to start building nukes, because from where they stand, that's the only guarantee they have in terms of survival in the face of Israel and America since all their other options are now gone.
There was more satellite evidenced damage from the Iran attack than from the Israel one. So idk where exactly you get your news from.

At the moment both countries suffer from their own issues.

Battlefield performance continues to be dismal for Israel, and it seems the hopes of advancing even dozens of kms against Hamas and Hezbollah has ceased. They may need to wait for US to give them a new weapons infusion.

At the same time, Iran faces the difficulty that US might enter directly into the war, so it must take large precautions. Nukes is likely something Iran's sponsors don't want to grant, rather they have the idea of a large conventional war. So Iran cannot overextend or act too much either, it needs to wait to see what US will do first.
 

Eventine

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Syria was done for by the first minute. It was already dead. 350 guys on bikes had completely routed an army of 30,000 in Aleppo.

All the Russian ground units had already been withdrawn post 2020 agreement and for the Ukraine SMO.


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Reminds me of the high age of European colonialism, when small companies of European troops could take over countries / empires 1000x their size through divide & conquer bribery, diplomacy, & narrowly targeted applications of force.

All the while, wars between actual European nation states were total, all of society affairs where even women & children were mobilized. Citizens were expected to fight to the last man.

It seems little has changed in certain regions of the world. Without the benefit of universal, nationalist education, concrete economic development, and total control of the media and academia, societies are still immensely tribal & easy to divide & conquer with barely a shot fired. Really goes out to show how important it is to have control over education, media, and intelligence; and why the West is so obsessed with media and information control - since it allows them to manipulate societies so much easier when they are “liberal.”
 

Michael90

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Iran has hatched a plan to withdraw since the days of TP1, every blow that happens in between could be planned events by some powerful mullahs (not necessarily approved by the state).

An Iranian company ordered these pagers for Hezbollah to switch.
Pezeshkian needed to be in place months before Trump took office.

Now the focus is on Turkey, Iran has been off the hook.
To be honest, Iran is right to pull back in herself and focus on their economy. They neeed urgent reforms internally and normalised relations with western powers so the country can open up for business like every normal country to intergrate with the global economy. The country is facing tough financial/economic issues with inflation going through the roof. The last thing they need is spending billions on proxy militias groups in Iraq, Yemen, lebabonon etc which brings them little to no benefit to the average Iranian. The country is not an economic superpower or powerhouse to afford such a burden in the long run with an economy thats not robust/big enough to do this without sacrificing their own resouces needed for the country. Just look at this:

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This is for a country with the worlds 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest gas reserves on and a large educated population. The Ayatollahs policies have failed the country to be honest. They are supposed to be one of the wealthiest most developed country on earth yet the country has not been able to tap its potential. Iran is in crisis and things will only get worse with trump coming to power(so no breathing space for iran and her economy). The country needs urgent long due reforms. Things cant carry on like that for much longer. Im afraid there will be an uprising one day against the regime like in Syria at this rate. Iran needs its own chinese Deng Xiaoping i.e a paramount ruler that will reverse or do a 180° turn in the country's internal and foreign economic and political policies before its too late. Deng saved China's communist party from being toppled one day(they came close to being toppled as well when the country was facing an economic crisis and downturn due to Mao's bad ifeological and economic policies and mistakes ). If they had carried the same policies and legacy ffom Mao then i dont think the party would have lasted that long to this day. So Iran needs to learn from the Chinese today(focus on your economy first and foremost, as Deng said it doesn't matter whether the cat is black and white as long as it catches the mice.)
 
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coolgod

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To be honest, Iran is right to pull back in herself and focus on their economy. They neeed urgent reforms internally and normalised relations with western powers so the country can open up for business like every normal country to intergrate with the global economy. The country is facing tough financial/economic issues with inflation going through the roof. The last thing they need is spending billions on proxy militias groups in Iraq, Yemen, lebabonon etc which brings them little to no benefit to the average Iranian. The country is not an economic superpower or powerhouse to afford such a burden in the long run with an economy thats not robust/big enough to do this without sacrificing their own resouces needed for the country. Just look at this:

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This is for a country with the worlds 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest gas reserves on and a large educated population. The Ayatollahs policies have failed the country to be honest. They are supposed to be one of the wealthiest most developed country on earth yet the country has not been able to tap its potential. Iran is in crisis and things will only get worse with trump coming to power(so no breathing space for iran and her economy). The country needs urgent long due reforms. Things cant carry on like that for much longer. Im afraid there will be an uprising one day against the regime like in Syria at this rate. Iran needs its own chinese Deng Xiaoping i.e a paramount ruler that will reverse or do a 180° turn in the country's internal and foreign economic and political policies before its too late. Deng saved China's communist party from being toppled one day(they came close to being toppled as well when the country was facing an economic crisis and downturn due to Mao's bad ifeological and economic policies and mistakes ). If they had carried the same policies and legacy ffom Mao then i dont think the party would have lasted that long to this day. So Iran needs to learn from the Chinese today(focus on your economy first and foremost, as Deng said it doesn't matter whether the cat is black and white as long as it catches the mice.)
Yea, Iran should totally sign up for a Nuclear Deal 2.0 right? It's not like the Zionists in charge have publicly stated the intent to destroy Iran or anything. Iran's environment is totally like China during Deng's era, Iran can even join the west to destroy public enemy #1 China.
 

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To be honest, Iran is right to pull back in herself and focus on their economy. They neeed urgent reforms internally and normalised relations with western powers so the country can open up for business like every normal country to intergrate with the global economy. The country is facing tough financial/economic issues with inflation going through the roof. The last thing they need is spending billions on proxy militias groups in Iraq, Yemen, lebabonon etc which brings them little to no benefit to the average Iranian. The country is not an economic superpower or powerhouse to afford such a burden in the long run with an economy thats not robust/big enough to do this without sacrificing their own resouces needed for the country. Just look at this:

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This is for a country with the worlds 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest gas reserves on and a large educated population. The Ayatollahs policies have failed the country to be honest. They are supposed to be one of the wealthiest most developed country on earth yet the country has not been able to tap its potential. Iran is in crisis and things will only get worse with trump coming to power(so no breathing space for iran and her economy). The country needs urgent long due reforms. Things cant carry on like that for much longer. Im afraid there will be an uprising one day against the regime like in Syria at this rate. Iran needs its own chinese Deng Xiaoping i.e a paramount ruler that will reverse or do a 180° turn in the country's internal and foreign economic and political policies before its too late. Deng saved China's communist party from being toppled one day(they came close to being toppled as well when the country was facing an economic crisis and downturn due to Mao's bad ifeological and economic policies and mistakes ). If they had carried the same policies and legacy ffom Mao then i dont think the party would have lasted that long to this day. So Iran needs to learn from the Chinese today(focus on your economy first and foremost, as Deng said it doesn't matter whether the cat is black and white as long as it catches the mice.)
It is amazing how you always resort to insulting people on this forum by calling them biased and emotional and consider the utilization of terrorist organizations by Western powers an act of competence, yet blame Iran's problems on your imaginary "Ayatollahs" despite the fact that Iran isn't in breach of international law and has cooperated with the IAEA during the JCPOA agreement and the US pulled out and refused to lift the sanctions. You don't even mention the sanctions once in your empty essay of propaganda and instead, you frame it as if it's Iran that has closed it's borders, isolated itself from the world and shot itself in the head.
 
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