Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

W20

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The film will be repeated because the mental software Zionism is the domination and enslavement of the plebs

The first time this film was shown in the cinema, "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz") the yehudim of Perea, Galilea and Idumea and even some from Judea itself declared war on the yehudim of Judea (ca. 66-70)

In this second version, in "our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) founded (ca. 1914) by the British Empire and violent and fanatic Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and Byelorussians, "the people of the land" are millions and millions

(Also, let us not forget that the great temple was built by an Arab king, Herod the Great, and not a Pole or a Ukrainian of the medieval ethnicity forged by the rabbis: the Polish Ukrainian Yiddish people)
 

Michael90

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You can lose a match without suffering long term harm. Do you think the average Iranian citizen cares much about Syria? For Syria, it was a fight to the death. For Iran, it's a sports match

With nasrallah gone and Iran much less religious than after the revolution, Iranian interest in Hezbollah is smaller.

The debt owed to Syria and the Assad family has been paid off and Iran is finally free of the ruinous entanglements with incompetent Arabs. Money that would have been wasted in Syria can now be used more productively

Israel has managed to turn itself into a pariah and the more Arabs they kill in Gaza the better Iran looks in the world. Criticising Israel is normal now and it's hard to convince people that they need to hate Iran for criticising Israel when they're actively carrying out a genocide. It might be perverse, but Iran is a major beneficiary of the genocide

The cherry on top is to finally get access to modern planes, which China and Russia have been refusing to sell for years


Sure, if there's a major us backed air campaign to bomb Iranian infrastructure, then it's all going to turn into a devastating loss and force nuclearisation. But so far, Iran managed to navigate a dangerous situation ok and come out in better shape than it was before Hamas attacked
Depends on how Iran manages to adapt to be honest. Actually im worried for the Ayatollahs. I believe the most likely place where a future middle eastern uprising/revolution could come from is Iran. The country has a very youthful population who doesn't share the strict islamist religious ideology of their rulers nor their ideology at all. Plus the people are well educated, intelligent and open minded generally. So its normal that they believe their country should be performing farrrrrrrr better than they are today with the Ayatollahs in power. Many believe the regime has sacrificed their generation as many bright Iranian youths have to emigrate abroad for better life/opportunities to the U.S/Europe, Australia and even Gulf Arab states/Turkey to some extent etc. This is for a country that has everything to be among the most developed/advanced and highest living standards on the planet giving their vast human and even more huge natural resources( the have the world's 3rd largest oil holder and 2nd largest gas reserves holder) .
In short , the Ayatollahs regime and their ideology has failed the country and hold the country behind. There is no resson Turkey should have a bigger/better economy than Iran with zero natural resources compared to Iran. There has already be quite a few uprising/protests against the regime in Tehra but they were suppressed brutally. As i said before they wont be able to suppress it forever. So they better change and reform before its too late.
 
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Israel dropped a bomb on Syria so powerful it reportedly measured on the Richter scale.

Video shared online showed the massive explosion as Israel bombarded northwestern Syria near the city of Tartus, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
The US embassy in Damascus advised Americans to leave Syria, saying the security situation there continues to be volatile and unpredictable with armed conflict and “terrorism throughout the country”.

For those who are still running PR for the Syrian Al qaeda:
Western opinion surveys across all Syrian provinces throughout the Civil War agreed that the Syrian Ba'ath government, while unpopular, was not as unpopular as the Syrian opposition, the FSA and especially Al Nusra. This is just one report, you can find more yourself.

And liberal democracy is completely incompatible with developing countries. No country in history has ever went from low income to high income through democratization. DEAL WITH IT.
 

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TPenglake

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But so far, Iran managed to navigate a dangerous situation ok and come out in better shape than it was before Hamas attacked
How is Iran in anyway better after October 7th? You give reasons as to why Iran doesn't necessarily have to lose any sleep about Hezbollah being decimated and Assad being overthrown, but frankly it just sounds like cope. Iran spent untold sums of money on the Axis of Resistance and made it a pillar to their claim to being the world's chief Shia Islamic power. Even if they "lost interest in it" and decided to have a controlled demolition process, one would think it would be in exchange for better terms with the West or something that benefits them.

But there's none of that. Instead the geopolitical reality is that now Iran, or more specifically their nuclear sites, are completely at the mercy of the Israelis and the Americans. Does reality suggest otherwise? Israel no longer has to worry about Syria's air defenses and the Russian air force. Meanwhile, Iran itself time and time again has shown you can bomb their military sites and kill their generals, scientists, politicians, and the most they'll do is bomb some patches of dirt next to an Israeli or American military base. Iran went from seriously competing with Turkey for the mantle of Islamic power and threatening Israel, to now being completely on the defensive with only the Houthis to annoy the Americans and Iraq to shield their nation from a direct land attack from the West.

I will agree with you now that Iran doesn't have to manage the Axis of Resistance anymore, they can allocate that money elsewhere. With the nation ripe for Israel and America to pluck for their pleasure, they'll seriously need it to upgrade their defenses. Because lord knows the last thing China needs is for a major BRI partner to fall to an American friendly government.
 

zhangjim

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To date, China’s been able to survive in part because the USA’s ‘pivot to Asia’ keeps getting delayed by other adventures. (First the Middle East, then Ukraine, and now the Middle East again.) At some point the US will run out of other unfinished business, and China’s luck will run out.
This has seriously deviated from the topic, but I feel it is necessary for me to respond. In your vision, will an economic entity of one billion people wait for the Americans to besiege it to death? Or do you think sanctions and blockades would be as easy as blockades against Iraq or Cuba?
You can't always expect people like Gorbachev to be everywhere in the world.
The German economic crisis triggered the Second World War and the destruction of Europe. How a country with the largest industry and the second population in the world "seek living space"? Why do Americans think that its enemies will be tortured to surrender like the Japanese? Even in the early stages of the Pacific War, the United States suffered serious losses.
The NATO already attempted a similar strategy. The result is the Ukraine war, and NATO has to get stuck in a muddy war of attrition, with no hope in sight. Their combat readiness is even worse than that of Ukraine, ironically, Ukraine's resistance must largely be attributed to its Soviet era weapons reserves and mobilization capabilities.

It is obvious that Syria's "victory" has given many people the illusion that they can sign a few papers and make all enemy collapse like sand.
 

Minm

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Depends on how Iran manages to adapt to be honest. Actually im worried for the Ayatollahs. I believe the most likely place where a future middle eastern uprising/revolution could come from is Iran. The country has a very youthful population who doesn't share the strict islamist religious ideology of their rulers nor their ideology at all. Plus the people are well educated, intelligent and open minded generally. So its normal that they believe their country should be performing farrrrrrrr better than they are today with the Ayatollahs in power. Many believe the regime has sacrificed their generation as many bright Iranian youths have to emigrate abroad for better life/opportunities to the U.S/Europe, Australia and even Gulf Arab states/Turkey to some extent etc. This is for a country that has everything to be among the most developed/advanced and highest living standards on the planet giving their vast human and even more huge natural resources( the have the world's 3rd largest oil holder and 2nd largest gas reserves holder) .
In short , the Ayatollahs regime and their ideology has failed the country and hold the country behind. There is no resson Turkey should have a bigger/better economy than Iran with zero natural resources compared to Iran. There has already be quite a few uprising/protests against the regime in Tehra but they were suppressed brutally. As i said before they wont be able to suppress it forever. So they better change and reform before its too late.
Khamenei isn't going to last another 10 years and with every passing year he has less authority. There will surely be major reform when he's gone. Iran's economy is less developed than it should have been because of the Iraqi invasion, something you can't really blame on the Islamic Republic. More recently, sanctions have become a bigger issue. But Iran is very similar to other post revolutionary societies like China or France. At first there's an attempt to export the revolution. After the first generation is dead, competent governance follows


How is Iran in anyway better after October 7th? You give reasons as to why Iran doesn't necessarily have to lose any sleep about Hezbollah being decimated and Assad being overthrown, but frankly it just sounds like cope. Iran spent untold sums of money on the Axis of Resistance and made it a pillar to their claim to being the world's chief Shia Islamic power. Even if they "lost interest in it" and decided to have a controlled demolition process, one would think it would be in exchange for better terms with the West or something that benefits them.

But there's none of that. Instead the geopolitical reality is that now Iran, or more specifically their nuclear sites, are completely at the mercy of the Israelis and the Americans. Does reality suggest otherwise? Israel no longer has to worry about Syria's air defenses and the Russian air force. Meanwhile, Iran itself time and time again has shown you can bomb their military sites and kill their generals, scientists, politicians, and the most they'll do is bomb some patches of dirt next to an Israeli or American military base. Iran went from seriously competing with Turkey for the mantle of Islamic power and threatening Israel, to now being completely on the defensive with only the Houthis to annoy the Americans and Iraq to shield their nation from a direct land attack from the West.

I will agree with you now that Iran doesn't have to manage the Axis of Resistance anymore, they can allocate that money elsewhere. With the nation ripe for Israel and America to pluck for their pleasure, they'll seriously need it to upgrade their defenses. Because lord knows the last thing China needs is for a major BRI partner to fall to an American friendly government.
The exchange of missiles between Israel and Iran demonstrated that Syria has zero benefit in protecting Iran. It also demonstrated that Israel can only do very limited damage to the Iranian military without American help while Iranian missiles could destroy Israeli semiconductor fabs in case of war

Before the war, Iran might have been perceived as threatening in Israel because of the hyping of Hezbollah. But with Hezbollah shown to be something Israel can handle and Syria fallen, Iran has much less influence and interests to protect in the region. So there's less reason to fight

And while Israel was busy bombing children and the world distracted, Iran's insurance strategy to protect against a bombing campaign has changed. Hezbollah's rockets are not needed when you can build nukes. Iran has increased it's reported stockpile of 60% enriched uranium by 50% in the last year and are openly discussing building bombs in case of western sanctions. In the past, Israeli terrorists would kill Iranian scientists with no consequences, now Iran has gained the confidence to retaliate

Afghanistan was also a loss for America but arguably a loss they are benefitting from. It is not too different for Iran in Syria. You can call it cope if you like, but the US has won by surrendering Afghanistan
 

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This is the price China pays and more for ignoring the Syrian situation. The US will now turn Syria into a Uygur terrorist factory that China will have to deal with on Chinese soil. Myanmar is probably next and the number of these countries will keep on increasing as China sits and watches and does nothing.

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tankphobia

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So basically the story repeats, some event spark a region wide coalition against Israel and through superiority in arms Israel demolishes the enemy piecemeal, setting back their economies by decades through heavy bombardment. It hasn't work the last few times and each time the next coalition gets weaker.
 

sutton999

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So basically the story repeats, some event spark a region wide coalition against Israel and through superiority in arms Israel demolishes the enemy piecemeal, setting back their economies by decades through heavy bombardment. It hasn't work the last few times and each time the next coalition gets weaker.
So weak to the point Israel and Turkey are going to have a showdown over Kurds.
 

RottenPanzer

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So basically the story repeats, some event spark a region wide coalition against Israel and through superiority in arms Israel demolishes the enemy piecemeal, setting back their economies by decades through heavy bombardment. It hasn't work the last few times and each time the next coalition gets weaker.
Pretty sure Yom Kippur was quite hefty price to pay for Israel.
 
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