Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

if russia is ditching syria for good, and it seems like it, then it wouldn't be unbelievable for them to provide israel with targets so as to prevent the equipment from being used against them say in the ukraine or libya. just saying.

uyghur and other pan turkic fighters are also more likely to be used against russia or the central asian stans, where there is more potential for tensions from separatism on one end and right wing anti-migrant politics on the other.

tamsen_ikard said:

It took Armenia 3 days to move out hundreds of thousands of people out Nagorno Karabakh when they lost the war and were afraid of living under Azerbaijani control for even one day. If Israel ever loses a war in any of occupied lands, setting up settler population will not allow them to make their hold stronger for even one day. Once they lose, they will leave the same day.

Sooner or later 400 million Muslims in the middle east, will have enough power and Israel's western backers will weaken enough that Israel will no longer be able to win in a war. That's when all lands Israel has captured and put settlers in will slow be given up. Israel lost this fight when Muslims converted/gave birth to 400 million people over the last 1500 years. Israel might be able to dominate temporariliy but its only that, temporary. Even the crusaders states in the Middle lasted for few centuries. But no sign of them ever being there exists.

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The whole point of settler populations is to cement your gains & defensively dig in. It is not about flooding with bodies but everything else that comes with bodies - infrastructure, garrisons, political & economic support, which will make it that much harder for an opponent to take it back.

It’s not a fool proof plan, sure, but let me put it this way - if Palestinians all left Gaza the moment they lost the Six Days War, there would not have been a Gaza conflict for the last 70 years.

Demographics is extremely important in maintaining control over a region. People fleeing in the event you badly lose a war is much preferable to having no control in the first place, and it is harder to lose a war badly while in control of strategic locations in the first place.

Rare footage of the Russian Il-76MD military transport aircraft taking off from the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, under the cover of a Russian Ka-52 helicopter. The Ka-52 helicopter is equipped with the Vitebsk onboard electronic warfare system, which, in the event of a threat, will protect the Il-76 from MANPADS. More details about the Vitebsk defense system are in the link to the video in the comments to the video. It is not yet known whether Russian troops will remain in Syria, but transport aircraft have already removed some of the S-400 air defense systems from Syria. Officially, the Russian leadership reports that negotiations are underway with the new Syrian authorities.

Soldier30 said:

Rare footage of the Russian Il-76MD military transport aircraft taking off from the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, under the cover of a Russian Ka-52 helicopter. The Ka-52 helicopter is equipped with the Vitebsk onboard electronic warfare system, which, in the event of a threat, will protect the Il-76 from MANPADS. More details about the Vitebsk defense system are in the link to the video in the comments to the video. It is not yet known whether Russian troops will remain in Syria, but transport aircraft have already removed some of the S-400 air defense systems from Syria. Officially, the Russian leadership reports that negotiations are underway with the new Syrian authorities.

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Would be surprised if the rebel leadership allows Russia to remain in Syria giving the role Tussia played in killing and suppressing the revolution/rebels and maintaining Assad in power for so long. But this is geo politics, so everything is possible. There is no good or bad as I said in this region/conflict, interests changes all the time. .

The Israeli Air Force struck an ammunition depot and a base of the 23rd brigade of the former Syrian army in the province of Tartus. Presumably, F-16I aircraft were used in the attack, the type of bombs or missiles used is not reported. As a result of the strike, the military depots were completely destroyed, the colossal explosion was visible for many kilometers. An earthquake with a magnitude of about 3 points was recorded during the explosion of ammunition. It is worth noting that the air defense in Syria is currently practically absent from the armed forces of the new Syrian government. Israel is systematically destroying military equipment of the former Syrian army to eliminate future threats.

Michael90 said:

Would be surprised if the rebel leadership allows Russia to remain in Syria giving the role Tussia played in killing and suppressing the revolution/rebels

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Imagine still insisting it was a "revolution" with "rebels" with all that we have seen and known, lol. Santa is also real, too!.

Meanwhile, the "rebels" are getting cucked and bending over for Israel while going out of its way to ethnically cleanse the kurds while helping get Palestinians killed.

The "revolution":

sheogorath said:

Imagine still insisting it was a "revolution" with "rebels" with all that we have seen and known, lol. Santa is also real, too!.

Meanwhile, the "rebels" are getting cucked and bending over for Israel while going out of its way to ethnically cleanse the kurds while helping get Palestinians killed.

The "revolution":

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868718511918551185

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It is a revolution per definition, or more like a coup. Some high officials got fed up with Assad personally but it's still very much the same(or similar) Syrian state underneath a thin coat of populist jihadi paint.

It sucks for kurds if they get displaced, but then maybe kurds shouldn't have thrown their lot in with the hated invaders.

The question is if these guys will be more efficient than Assad... Increasingly seeming the answer is no.

sheogorath said:

Imagine still insisting it was a "revolution" with "rebels" with all that we have seen and known, lol. Santa is also real, too!.

Meanwhile, the "rebels" are getting cucked and bending over for Israel while going out of its way to ethnically cleanse the kurds while helping get Palestinians killed.

The "revolution":

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868718511918551185

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These are probably the first "revolutionaries" in the world who are not interested in the weapons and military infrastructure of the government they defeated .



Israel has been bombing ammo dumps ,jets and AD without a protest from HTS .

Biscuits said:

It is a revolution per definition, or more like a coup. Some high officials got fed up with Assad personally but it's still very much the same(or similar) Syrian state underneath a thin coat of populist jihadi paint.

It sucks for kurds if they get displaced, but then maybe kurds shouldn't have thrown their lot in with the hated invaders.

The question is if these guys will be more efficient than Assad... Increasingly seeming the answer is no.

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I watched a video explaining the development history of HTS, but I won't go into too much detail because I'm going to sleep.
In short, Jurani is a typical "one eyed king of the blind kingdom".
He is one of the few leaders with the concept of "establishing a regime", and compared to him, those under him can be said to be a group of illiterate people from the era of slavery.
Although his way of ruling his territory is like a mafia, he is already advanced enough compared to those who are committed to returning to the era of Arab conquest.

So, unfortunately, after Assad leaves, we may not be able to find a human like 'creature' to manage Syria.

sheogorath said:

Imagine still insisting it was a "revolution" with "rebels" with all that we have seen and known, lol. Santa is also real, too!.

Meanwhile, the "rebels" are getting cucked and bending over for Israel while going out of its way to ethnically cleanse the kurds while helping get Palestinians killed.

The "revolution":

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868718511918551185

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Come on dude. Even the most pro Assadist acknowledge Assad was very unpopular with his people. So it was just a matter of time for him to go. Russia/Iran/hezbollah and all shias proxies in the region who went all out to help Assad remain in power and suppress/killed the revolution were just wasting their time and resources maintaining him in power since his regime was bound to fall with time. So to say the Syrian uprisings and revolution is just a "zionist conspiracy" is rather deceitful. Lol You guys make it sound like Israel is omipotent omnipresent like a GOD. Lol Same happen in other Arab failed dictatorships in Tunisia,Egypt, Sudan,Linya, Yemen etc etc. Was it also all a Zionist conspiracy ? Lol.
Almost every main actor in syria wanted Assad gone. Not even his own military personnel really had a great devoution for his regime to be honest. So Russia and Iran/hezbollah should have acknowledge this and try and ease him out of power while negotiating with the protesters for a transition this would have guaranteed Iran and Russia presence in Syria and their interests. Instead of backing a loser tyrant who was vastly unpopular and hated by his own people.

Imagine that during the Iranian revolution/uprising against the Shah regime, if foreign powers and their actors in the region had intervene militarily to suppress the protesters and wipe them off as much as possible would you have been okay with that? Im sure many of you would be condemning these foriegn powers for trying to maintain the Shah regime in power isn't it? Lol what happened after the shah was depose weather good or bad is another topic, just like what happens after Assad is deposed is another topic . But it has nothing to do with whether deposing an incompetent unpopular tyrant like him is right or wrong. Its always better to try a risky change than remain with a failed status quo who doesnt want to change or leave. Syrians will.decide what they want for their country, foreigners telling them what is good for them wont change their ground realities. The common man wants to see his life and living conditions improving. Palestine or Israel is secondary. The common man cares more about his well being first. So if that means normalising relations with Israel and the West will lead to a better life for the people and the country they will adopt just that. However, if the current leaders also fail to improve the peoples life and economy in the long run. They too will be in danger of being deposed one day.

I understand many people here are biased for various reasons. But even so we can at least recognise some facts as well.