ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Broccoli

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How could US Air Power help in Iraq?


Be sort of a shame too...those are really nice new "Technicals" there. They look like they are right off the lot...probably from Mosul.

Problem is that you don't know who's going where if you don't have eyes on the ground. Iraqi army is probably going to drive in technicals soon enough, and then there is all those Shia militias.
 

ABC78

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I hate say this but this could have the potential to unite the Iraqi peoples. If this ISIS campaign is as brutal as it is in Syria to enough Iraqis maybe finally the Iraqis will have a new sense of national identity. Defending Iraq from the scourge of ISIS.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions?
Jun. 12, 2014 - 06:00AM |


By Andrew Tilghman and Jeff Schogol
Staff writers Military Times

The extremist group seizing vast swaths of Iraq this week is most likely fielding a small force of less than 1,000 fighters equipped with little more than small-arms weaponry and soft-shelled pickup trucks.

But the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, apparently has routed an estimated 30,000 Iraqi Army soldiers who were trained by the U.S. military and given billions in sophisticated American military equipment.

The stunning outcome reflects widespread desertions among the Iraqi units in the north as well as the Sunni-Shiite sectarian tensions that underlie the military battles, experts say.

“It’s a relativity small force that managed to take the city [of Mosul], and it’s shocking that they were able to do that,” said Charlie Cooper, who studies Islamic extremism for the Quilliam Foundation in London.

“To me, that suggests there is collusion or at least deliberate capitulation on the part of Sunni tribes in western and northern Iraq,” Cooper said. “It’s likely that this happened because Sunni tribes in the area let it happen.”


Experts say ISIS totals no more than 10,000 fighters throughout Iraq and Syria, while the force that specifically seized the city of Mosul this week probably totaled about 800 fighters. That force overpowered two Iraqi Army divisions totaling about 30,000 troops.

“Clearly, the Iraqi forces in the north lack cohesion and a will to fight,” said Jeff White, a former intelligence analyst with the Defense Intelligence Agency who is now a defense expert with the Washington Institute think tank.

In terms of weaponry, ISIS has small arms and civilian-style pickup trucks with mounted crew-served weapons, mainly heavy machine guns such as Russian-made Dushkas, and also a limited supply of 23mm anti-aircraft weapons that they are using for direct fire, White said.

On the other side, the Iraqi army is awash in about $15 billion in U.S. gear transferred since 2005, including IA-407 helicopters, M-1 Abrams tanks, C-130 fixed-wing aircraft and 300 hellfire missiles, Pentagon officials say.

While the ISIS force has limited manpower, it may be joining up with other elements of the Iraqi insurgency that U.S. troops fought for years, such as the more sectarian Sunnis who once controlled the Iraqi Army under Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party.

“Were hearing a lot about former Ba’athists coming out of the woodwork and working with [ISIS], and that could give them a lot more capability,” White said.

Until now, virtually all the territory seized by ISIS — portions of Anbar province in the west and the city of Mosul in the north — have a population majority that is Sunni Arab. Reports suggest ISIS fighters are moving south toward Baghdad, which has a large Shiite population.


“The Iraqi army units in the Baghdad area are presumably better trained, more reliable, more cohesive. One question is: Is that true? Does the government actually have Army elements it can rely on?” White said.

“On the ISIS side, the question is going to become one of force-to-space: Can they really keep pushing with a snowball effect? Or at some point are they going to actually come up against an effective force that brings this offensive to a halt?” White said.

One former senior U.S. commander in Iraq who spoke on condition of anonymity agreed that an important underlying problem stems from the current Shiite-led Iraqi government’s poor treatment of its Sunni minority in the north and west.

“It appears that three and a half years of highly sectarian and increasingly authoritarian actions undid the important reconciliation component of the strategy during the Surge and beyond, leaving Sunni Arabs once again feeling marginalized by the Shia-led government in Baghdad,” the former senior commander told Military Times.


That discontent, he said, has intensified inside the Iraqi military command as the Iraqi civilian government has replaced some Sunni military leaders with Shiites, undermining “the effectiveness and cohesion of the Iraqi army,” the former commander said.

The seizure of Mosul this week, along with parts of Anbar province several months ago, reflects in part a course change in the so-called “Awakening” movement, which the U.S. military fostered in 2006 and 2007, when local Sunni tribes in Anbar turned against the extremists in their midst and allied with the U.S. military.

“It’s as if this is a reversal of the [Awakening],” Cooper said.
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Official: U.S. air power options 800 miles from Iraq
Jun. 13, 2014 - 01:45PM |
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In this Dec. 3, 2011, file photo, Iraq's Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talks during an interview with The Associated Press in Baghdad, Iraq.
In this Dec. 3, 2011, file photo, Iraq's Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talks during an interview with The Associated Press in Baghdad, Iraq. (Hadi Mizban/AP)

By Tom Vanden Brook and David Jackson
USA Today

WASHINGTON — U.S. air power options in Iraq are limited now, because the closest aircraft that could wage a bombing campaign against Islamist militants who have captured several of the nation's largest cities are at least 800 miles away, a top defense official told USA Today Friday.

The insurgents — the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL), an al-Qaeda splinter group — started their offensive Monday. They are trying to create an Islamic territory including Iraq and Syria. They have taken Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, and Tikrit, the birthplace of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

To be effective, air strikes would require the Iraqi army to step forward and engage insurgent forces on the ground, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the details of potential air power options are not authorized to be released publicly.

In any event, U.S. warplanes are not based close enough at the moment to conduct such a campaign, he said.

"We have basically left Iraq," the official said.

The insurgents are about 100 miles from the Iraqi capital of Baghdad. The Iraqi military under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has so far been unable to stop them.

Despite the limitations, Secretary of State John Kerry said Friday that President Obama will act quickly.

"Given the gravity of the situation, I would anticipate timely decisions from the president regarding the challenge ... I am confident the US will move rapidly and effectively to join with our allies in dealing with this challenge," Kerry said in London.

White House officials said they are assessing their options, both militarily and legally.

Obama "is considering all options in response to the question about potential direct action by the United States military," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. "But we would have to get back to you on how that would proceed if that decision were made."

The president said Thursday that "I think it's fair to say that in our consultations with the Iraqis there will be some short-term, immediate things that need to be done militarily, and our national security team is looking at all the options."
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When I was on Jalopnik They had a post up about Mosul being littered with Burning Cars.
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One of there commenters posted a video of the ISIS version of Grand Theft Auto. Where Jihadist Chase Down a Car pull along side and open up with AK's, Like a Drive by shooting only with two vehicles in motion all put to the latest Jihadi Top 40 with Slick Graphics. No Reason no Identification just pull up out the windows with the AK's and blast away till the car looses control.
 

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Reuters

By Ned Parker and Missy Ryan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Iraqi army that disintegrated under an onslaught by Islamist fighters this week was a hollow force, riven by corruption, poor leadership and sectarian splits - a shadow of the military Washington had hoped to leave in the war-ravaged country.

The United States dismantled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's military after invading in 2003 and spent $20 billion to build up a new 800,000-strong force, banking on its ability to keep the peace when the U.S. military withdrew in 2011.

While the 2003 decision to disband Iraq's army led to a bloody civil war, Iraqi forces were seen as generally competent by 2011 and sectarian fighting had eased, giving U.S. President Barack Obama some confidence as he pulled out all American forces.

But corruption sapped funds meant for soldiers' rations, for maintaining vehicles and for fuel, said an Iraqi officer in Sunni-dominated Anbar Province, parts of which have been out of government control for more than six months. Senior military posts are frequently for sale, and soldiers go to local markets to buy spare parts because government stores are empty, he said.

The Iraqi force has also been heavily politicized under Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, said Retired Lieutenant General Jim Dubik, who led the U.S. and NATO effort to train Iraqi forces from 2007 to 2008.

"Their leadership has eroded," said Dubik, who is now a senior fellow at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington. "If you're a fighter and you think your side's going to lose, you don't fight until the last man. You save yourself."

A former U.S. official in Iraq said poor treatment of rank-and-file soldiers by their superiors contributed to mass desertions. "These guys, these units are demoralized. They are underpaid and ripped off constantly by their commanding officers, who steal their allowances and use their commands as a way to build a personal nest egg,” the former official said.

A HOLLOW ARMY

Apart from a few standout units, such as special forces who have borne the brunt of the fighting, "it's a hollow army," the former official said.

The performance of the Iraqi forces was far from perfect even before the U.S. pullout. Endemic problems of fraud in military contracting, extortion at checkpoints, and the padding of rosters with non-existent soldiers were things the U.S. military was never able to solve and sometimes ignored.

The collapse this week started at the top with the senior-most commanders abandoning their positions early on Tuesday morning as black-clad fighters of the radical Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) swept into the country's second city of Mosul.

Mosul's defenders held up well for three days until late Monday evening, but over the next few hours the force imploded, with the senior commander for all of Nineveh province, Mahdi Garawi, fleeing.

The commander of Iraq's ground forces, General Ali Ghaidan, and the vice chief of army staff, Lieutenant General Abboud Qanbar, also abandoned their posts, according to an Iraqi official and a Western security expert.

The entire military structure deployed by the Shi'ite government in Baghdad to protect the north and west melted away before the well-armed Sunni rebels, who had been advancing for weeks across the rocky, dusty flatlands of western Iraq.

"There’s no question there was a breakdown, a structural breakdown, in Mosul," Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said in Washington.

CAPTURED U.S. EQUIPMENT

The Sunni rebel advance engulfed towns and cities, allowing them to seize weapons and other equipment, much of it supplied by the United States. Two days after the fall of Mosul, ISIL militants staged a parade of American Humvee patrol cars.

Eyewitnesses said they saw two helicopters captured by the militants flying over the city.

President Obama expressed frustration on Friday.

"The fact that they are not willing to stand and fight and defend their posts against admittedly hardened terrorists, but not terrorists who are overwhelming in numbers, indicates that there's a problem" with morale and commitment that is rooted in politics, he said.

Since the withdrawal of U.S. troops, American support for Iraqi forces has been modest, consisting mostly of a small number of advisers attached to the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, some cooperation on intelligence and limited arms deliveries.

This changed after the war in neighboring Syria flared in 2013 and fueled resurgent violence. U.S. special forces began training small numbers of elite Iraqi soldiers in Jordan and Washington accelerated arms sales.

This included deals for Apache attack helicopters, Hellfire missiles and surveillance drones, much of which has yet to arrive.

Warren, the Pentagon spokesman, declined to discuss what, if any, U.S. weapons sold to Iraq might have been seized by ISIL, but said the militants had exaggerated gains.

ACHILLES' HEEL

The military collapse this week can be traced back to Maliki's earlier failure to rebuff ISIL in western Anbar province, which has become a militant stronghold as the conflict in Syria intensified.

After ISIL fighters seized Falluja and other areas of Anbar late last year, Iraqi medical sources say some 6,000 soldiers died there. Iraq-based foreign diplomats say 12,000 deserted their posts. Iraqi forces have not been able to retake Falluja or regain all of the largely Sunni province’s capital, Ramadi.

In the battle for Mosul, U.S. government experts estimate that Iraqi army forces outnumbered ISIL fighters by a factor of "double digits." Still, the militants easily took the city.

Senior Iraqi military officials "are picked because Maliki values their loyalty to him over any kind of war-fighting skills. They don’t understand what it takes to fight a counterinsurgency like this," one former senior U.S. military officer said.

"They failed to put in rigorous training (for their soldiers). They failed to invest in maintenance and logistics as we told them to," the former official said. "We warned them this would be their Achilles' heel."
 

texx1

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The Main Iraqi Army Already proved a Fail. The Kurdish units would likely stand there ground as even if they ran ISIS would hunt them down. The Iranian's are a question, as are they the Cure worse then the Disease?

Iranians are intervening for their Shia brethren currently governing in Iraq as ISIS is largely a Sunni organization. If the Shia government fell to ISIS in Iraq, it would only be a matter of time before ISIS turned its attention to Iran.

US not sending ground troops is potentially a smart decision as the fight in Iraq is largely sectarian. Wasting lives in a religious civil conflicts is not going to earn US any brownie points with any parties involved.

Fighting for current Shia Iraqi government is not only going to benefit Iran, an arch US enemy, it will also piss off Saudi Arabia, an important US ally and a Sunni Kingdom that marginalizes its own Shia populations. Not to mention Saudis are still sour at US not attacking Syria.

Domestically, sending poor people's kids to die for a corrupted and ineffective government is not going to be popular except for elites that benefit from the military industrial complex and policy makers that are desperate for distractions from the ongoing great recession.

Personally, I see Saudi Arabia to gain most from this. If ISIS won, there would a new anti-Iran Sunni state in middle East and US would have to shoulder more Saudi's defenses against fundamental terrorists across the border. If the conflict settled into a stalemate, Saudi would benefit from higher oil prices since Iraq is the world fifth oil producer.

Besides, Saudis gave funding, weapons and trainings to anti-Assad forces which ISIS is a part of so there could even be a possibility that Saudis encouraged ISIS to attack in order to diminish Iranian influence in the middle East.

BTW for anyone who is interested. Here is picture of Shia and Sunni breakdown in middle East.

sunni.jpg
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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I ran is not doing this out of the Goodness of there heart. They are doing it because,
One.
they feel this situation will allow them to expand there Higenemy. The Current Government of Iraq is a mix with a Sunni President and a Shia Prime minister it's still mostly in place. Iran is stepping in because they feel they can use the Majority Shia Population to there Advantage. To establish another Islamic Republic with Identical wants and objectives next to them through either manipulation of or replacement of the Current government. Traditionally Iran or more properly Persia was a Empire with it's influence spread across the middle east. The Term Persian Gulf. That's what they want long term.
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If ISIS can establish a State of Control in Iraq it would not take long for ISIS to be operating on Iranian Soil. AQ proper has negotiated a limited armistice with Iran. ISIS is considered a Rouge agent, AQ proper has only limited Reign over them IF ISIS establishes a foot Hold They could become the Tail that Wags the Dog. Syphoning the Funding, The Recruits. And The Shia Iran would have issues with the Sunni ISIS. As is They can Negotiate with al-Zawahiri but al-Baghdadi is another Animal.
 

Jeff Head

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Problem is that you don't know who's going where if you don't have eyes on the ground. Iraqi army is probably going to drive in technicals soon enough, and then there is all those Shia militias.
We have people on the ground already.

They may not admit it...but I promise you, they are there.

We also have Iraqi Special Forces who are still capable but not engaged yet, who have also been trained in FAC..

Finally, a column like the one shown earlier...and there are several...are going to be easy to see...just like the highway of death was.
 

no_name

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Be sort of a shame too...those are really nice new "Technicals" there. They look like they are right off the lot...probably from Mosul.

They look brand new, like especially supplied for this action.

Gulf state backing behind?
 

Equation

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They look brand new, like especially supplied for this action.

Gulf state backing behind?

ISIS-advanace-01.jpg


Toyota's again? Is it me or does these types of insurgents love to use the T-100 trucks as their staple fighting make shift vehicle? I don't know if this will be considered as bad PR for Toyota or free advertisement.
 
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