ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Couple things I wanna say:

1. Obviously going into Iraq was the worst idea ever. However once you opened a can of cockroaches, don't just leave it there open...at least finish it before they reproduce...this is what's happening now. The legacies of Bush is still happening.

2. The American public is so divided about the war, and how the world condemns the US for such illegitimate acts have placed Washington even more on the pedestal and then pressing down on them with a giant stone. On one side you have anti-war movements and parents calling for their sons to come home, and on the other hand you have chicken hawks and a bunch of people who wants more troops in Iraq. By the time Washington learns it's not their war, it's way too late.

3. Obama making the move to withdraw all troops is essentially a commitment his administration promised earlier to pull out from a war US shouldn't and no longer want to be in. The war costed billions for essentially nothing and so it was entirely in American sovereign interests to withdraw from.

4. I won't be surprised if many intelligence communities predicted the fail of Iraq once the US pulls out, and it's literally turning into the next Somalia. Honestly I now just feel really bad for the Iraqi people above all else. We can be typing away what we think but they're the ones dealing with the violence in their daily lives.

5. Iraq turning into the wild west means now it's up to the geopolitical powers of the region, including all parties involved there, to resolve things their way. US honestly shouldn't go back in again because people there will only hate US forces exponentially more, even if US is only returning with brooms and mops to clean up after things. Finally, there's NO WAY for US to fix this ever. Analogy is no different from someone coming to help you repair your computer, but instead gives you Vista basic, no internet connections, no drivers, missing data, BSOD, corrupted files, then leave halfway. And now your computer is plagued with viruses. If the guy is saying he's gonna return to fix your computer, you probably will tell him to eff off and you rather deal with it yourself.

6. By now Iraq is too messed up, and strangely Afghanistan is doing better than Iraq. Either way, you guys are right that the US is now arming these people with advanced weaponry(some tools even more advanced than other first world armies) like how they armed the Mujahadeens back in the '80s. Sad to say, but Washington hasn't really learned a single thing from their previous experience.

7. Regardless of that, I won't be surprised if Obama permits air strikes or US SOF infiltrations to work inside Iraq to scuttle captured weaponry. Question now is who secures the Black Hawks first. The ISIS flying them out of the airbases or SOF SD them first?

8. Not gonna be surprised if elements of the Iraqi SOFs have switched sides into ISIS.
 
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

I hate say this but this could have the potential to unite the Iraqi peoples. If this ISIS campaign is as brutal as it is in Syria to enough Iraqis maybe finally the Iraqis will have a new sense of national identity. Defending Iraq from the scourge of ISIS.

Im sorry but I don't think it will happen. There's too much divide between the groups. I honestly have trouble seeing the groups coming together longer than it takes to get rid of ISIS before they fight themselves domestically again. Liberal democracy in Iraq has failed. For a stable state you need rule of law, functioning economy, and infrastructure, but Iraq has none of those. That also gives nothing for democracy to sustain on.
 

SouthernSky

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Honestly I now just feel really bad for the Iraqi people above all else. We can be typing away what we think but they're the ones dealing with the violence in their daily lives.

As do I. But for the majority of the population suffering has been a way of life for the past Thirty Years.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

It is in everyone's interest, except Saudi Arabia's, that this does not develop as a sectarian war. It would then be best if Iran and Turkey go in together to destroy ISIS.
The ISIS forces in Syria also need to be destroyed. But Syria must not be distracted by those other Western sponsored terrorist groups. A good move would be to enact a Security Council resolution condemning all support for terrorists in Iraq and Syria. The US can move Jordan to close its borders to such support.
Western powers can direct their terrorists to accept the amnesty offered or to get out.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
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We have people on the ground already.

They may not admit it...but I promise you, they are there.

We also have Iraqi Special Forces who are still capable but not engaged yet, who have also been trained in FAC..

Finally, a column like the one shown earlier...and there are several...are going to be easy to see...just like the highway of death was.

Iraqi military was also US trained and how did that work out for them. Problem is also that Iraqi military has been infiltrated by the ISIS so who is to say that guy in the ground is not deliberately giving wrong target information?
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Im sorry but I don't think it will happen. There's too much divide between the groups. I honestly have trouble seeing the groups coming together longer than it takes to get rid of ISIS before they fight themselves domestically again. Liberal democracy in Iraq has failed. For a stable state you need rule of law, functioning economy, and infrastructure, but Iraq has none of those. That also gives nothing for democracy to sustain on.
The US destroyed the Iraqi economy and pretended to repair it with Potemkin schemes as that chicken processing plant that could process more chickens in a a day than were produced in the area in a year. See the article by Peter van Buren I copied from Asia Times on line a few months ago. They never repaired the power system, water supply and other infrastructure systems. Liberal democracy was not tried, just a shadow of it was produced.
 

SouthernSky

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Until those that want a change in circumstances jump on the back of the next military truck going past and demand a rifle nothing will change. We could all continue to argue over what could've been done differently in the last decade, none of which matters now.

Washington is rightfully asking those in charge in Bahgdad to show it's cards.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

The Iraqi army was newly set up in, was 2006? You can't organize and train a modern army in half a dozen years. It must already have been hollow in 2011. It must always have been hollow. It's main function must have been to accept military equipment US companies made with a nice profit.
 

SouthernSky

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

The Iraqi army was newly set up in, was 2006? You can't organize and train a modern army in half a dozen years. It must already have been hollow in 2011. It must always have been hollow. It's main function must have been to accept military equipment US companies made with a nice profit.

No doubt. But the Iraqi army is large. Like Saddam, you don't send your best units into no mans land.

I ask the question. Who here believes that the ISIL will march into Baghdad and take full control of Iraq. I'm not suggesting asymmetric warfare in the capitol, but full control?
 
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Broccoli

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Islamic Front in Syria used new type of mortar what appears to be Soviet designed 2B9 Vasilek, but problem is that Syria or any other country in region isn't using it. However Iraq is supposedly operating Norinco copy of the mortar called W99.
[video=youtube;qARw39QLpow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qARw39QLpow[/video]
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Is there any Chinese sources backing up that claim about Iraq using W99?
 
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