ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

I knew it. The Kurds are carving out a piece of Iraq for themselves amid all the chaos.

KIRKUK, Iraq (AP) — After a decades-long dispute between Arabs and Kurds over the oil-rich northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, it took just an hour and a half for its fate to be decided.

As al-Qaida-inspired militants advanced across northern Iraq and security forces melted away, Kurdish fighters who have long dominated Kirkuk ordered Iraqi troops out and seized full control of the regional oil hub and surrounding areas, according to a mid-ranking Army officer. He said he was told to surrender his weapons and leave his base.

His account was corroborated by an Arab tribal sheik and a photographer who witnessed the looting of army bases after troops left and who related similar accounts of the takeover from relatives in the army. All three spoke to The Associated Press Friday on condition of anonymity because they feared retribution from Kurdish forces.

"They said they would defend Kirkuk from the Islamic State," said the Arab officer, who oversaw a warehouse in the city's central military base. He asked that his rank not be made public.

He insisted the Iraqi troops had not planned to retreat before the Islamic state. "We were ready to battle to death. We were completely ready," he said at a roadside rest house just inside the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.

The Kurdish takeover of the long-disputed city came days after the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and other Sunni militants seized much of the country's second largest city of Mosul and Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit before driving south toward Baghdad. Their lightning advance has plunged the country into its worst crisis since the 2011 withdrawal of U.S. troops.

"Peshmerga forces have helped Iraqi soldiers and military leaders when they abandoned their positions," including by helping three generals to fly back to Baghdad from the Kurdish regional capital Erbil, Lieutenant General Jabbar Yawar said in a statement on the regional government's website.

A lawmaker from Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite-led bloc condemned the peshmerga's move, calling it a "plot" carried out in coordination with the regional government that would "lead to problems."

"The Kurds have taken advantage of the current situation. They seized Kirkuk and they have other plans to swallow other areas," Mohammed Sadoun told The Associated Press.

Kirkuk, 180 miles (290 kilometers) north of Baghdad, is home to Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen, who all have competing claims to the oil-rich area. Kurds have long wanted to incorporate it into their self-ruled region, but Arabs and Turkmen are opposed.

During the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 the highly disciplined peshmerga swept down from the semi-autonomous Kurdish region and established a strong presence in a belt of largely Kurdish towns and villages stretching south toward Baghdad.

But the disintegration of Iraqi forces this week seems to have led the peshmerga to assume full control in areas they have long coveted, further enhancing their autonomy from Baghdad and undermining hard-fought U.S. efforts to bring about a stable, multiethnic Iraq.

"To a great extent Kurdish forces had been de facto in control of Kirkuk for some time, but now they're completely in control," said F. Gregory Gause, III, a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Doha Center.

He said it was unlikely the Kurds would seek formal independence from Iraq, however, because such a move would be strongly opposed by neighboring Turkey and Iran -- both of which have sizable Kurdish minorities -- as well as Washington.

"We greeted them and offered them our hospitality. They told us they wanted to do joint patrols," the Army officer said. "And then they said give us everything: the keys (to the warehouses), the weapons, and go home. It took them one and half hours."

An Arab sheik whose relatives are in the military said they described the same scene to him.

"They said whoever resists the order will be dealt with," the officer said. He said he initially refused to hand over the keys to his warehouse and called his commander, who was elsewhere in Kirkuk, for instructions.

"He said: 'Surrender. Your situation is the same as everybody else's situation.'"

"They did it without any shame, before everybody's eyes," said the tribal elder. He and the officer said they believed at least 50 vehicles were taken.

Similar events transpired in the disputed town of Tuz Khormato, 55 miles (88 kilometers) to the south, said an Arab photographer who witnessed the events, and whose cousin was one of the men who surrendered. There, peshmerga forces set ablaze one police station, but left two standing, he said.

The military official from Kirkuk allowed that the peshmerga would likely be more successful than the army at defending the city from the Islamic state, but worried that ethnic tensions would grow as thousands of soldiers found themselves without work.

He said he also grieved the loss of the base, which had been rebuilt at a cost of "millions of dollars" under U.S. supervision in 2005 and "purchased with the blood of all Iraqis."

He said the base had been looted and torched in previous bouts of chaos in Iraq, during the 1991 Gulf war, an uprising against Saddam Hussein and after the U.S.-led 2003 invasion.

"I guess this happens every 10 years or so. Come again in 2024 and you can watch it happen again."
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Equation

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No doubt. But the Iraqi army is large. Like Saddam, you don't send your best units into no mans land.

I ask the question. Who here believes that the ISIL will march into Baghdad and take full control of Iraq. I'm not suggesting asymmetric warfare in the capitol, but full control?

Better question would be who here still believes that the current Iraqi government will be in FULL CONTROL of Iraq when it's all said and done?
 

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A US Aircraft Carrier is on the way (USS George H.W. Bush) to the region.

The United States has ordered an aircraft carrier, the USS George H.W. Bush, into the Gulf in response to the crisis in Iraq, the Pentagon said Saturday.

"The order will provide the commander-in-chief additional flexibility should military options be required to protect American lives, citizens and interests in Iraq," Rear Admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said.

Ordered by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, the move comes amid calls for air strikes to blunt a lightning offensive by Sunni Islamic militants that threatens Baghdad and the country's Shiite-led government.

US President Barack Obama said Friday the United States would not send in US ground troops but that he was weighing all other options.

The Bush is being accompanied by two other warships -- the guided-missile cruiser USS Philippine Sea and the guided-missile destroyer USS Truxtun, Kirby said in a statement.

The carrier's movement into the Gulf from the north Arabian Sea was expected to be completed by the end of the day, he said.

"American naval presence in the Arabian Gulf continues to support our longstanding commitments to the security and stability of the region," he added.
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A US Aircraft Carrier is on the way (USS George H.W. Bush) to the region.

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Yep...if one is going into the Gulf, then they are getting her right up close where she can put a lot of sorties on target if necessary.

But it is also dicey. Very restricted space in the Gulf for a US super carrier.

I have never liked seeing one go in there. The Iranians seem to be trying to help contain the situation...but they are also constantly threatening to try and do something to a US carrier. I just never like seeing on in a place so confined...and where, if there is trouble, it is not easy to get out of.
 

Blackstone

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I knew it. The Kurds are carving out a piece of Iraq for themselves amid all the chaos.

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The Kurds have been dreaming of a Kurdistan for a long time, but it's doubtful they could do it against heavy opposition from Turkey, Iran, and Syria.
 

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Yep...if one is going into the Gulf, then they are getting her right up close where she can put a lot of sorties on target if necessary.

But it is also dicey. Very restricted space in the Gulf for a US super carrier.

I have never liked seeing one go in there. The Iranians seem to be trying to help contain the situation...but they are also constantly threatening to try and do something to a US carrier. I just never like seeing on in a place so confined...and where, if there is trouble, it is not easy to get out of.

Dicey is right!

In case anyone wanted to know CVN-77 has been in the IO/Gulf region since 19 March 2014.

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SUEZ CANAL (March 18, 2014) The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) transits the Suez Canal. George H.W. Bush is deployed in support of maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Abe McNatt/Released)

It's not though a CVN will sortie from Norfolk or the West Coast was deployed to operate in the Gulf region.....George Washington is in the Pacific but it is not her job to go to the Persian Gulf. However she could do so if ordered.

Operating a CVN in the Gulf is very close quarters to operate. However the USN has plenty of experience of this sort of operation.

What ever needs to be done it had better happen soon. Real soon.

The oil companies will use this crisis to jack up the price of oil. Iraq is the second largest OPEC producer of oil...do the math.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The Kurds have been dreaming of a Kurdistan for a long time, but it's doubtful they could do it against heavy opposition from Turkey, Iran, and Syria.

Better question would be who here still believes that the current Iraqi government will be in FULL CONTROL of Iraq when it's all said and done?

I knew it. The Kurds are carving out a piece of Iraq for themselves amid all the chaos.

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which is not necessary a bad thing. It may seem now like kicking Iraq well its down. But when the Iraqi army flees Masol where did there commanders run? Not Bagdad, not Iran but Kurdish territory. The Kurds in Iraq have operated as a defacto nation for some time. Bagdad has not ever really Been in control of Iraq.
Kurdish territory have there own defense forces trained separately from the Iraqi army. The move of the Kurds to secure the oil hub seems both opportunist, cunning and smart. It ensures the security of that resource from a proven paper army. In the long run if Iraq proper can survive this and establish a stable state then the Kurds can negotiate. If ISIS however pushes Iraq like Syria then the Kurds would use this to establish a stable state.
for a Kurdistan Iraq and Syria actually seem a strong possibility. Because of the current state of both nations.The question is can the Iraq and Syrian Kurds put aside there political differences and establish a unified state. Turkey and Iran are the two states where a Kurdish nation is unlikely to emerge.
 

Equation

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Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

which is not necessary a bad thing. It may seem now like kicking Iraq well its down. But when the Iraqi army flees Masol where did there commanders run? Not Bagdad, not Iran but Kurdish territory. The Kurds in Iraq have operated as a defacto nation for some time. Bagdad has not ever really Been in control of Iraq.
Kurdish territory have there own defense forces trained separately from the Iraqi army. The move of the Kurds to secure the oil hub seems both opportunist, cunning and smart. It ensures the security of that resource from a proven paper army. In the long run if Iraq proper can survive this and establish a stable state then the Kurds can negotiate. If ISIS however pushes Iraq like Syria then the Kurds would use this to establish a stable state.
for a Kurdistan Iraq and Syria actually seem a strong possibility. Because of the current state of both nations.The question is can the Iraq and Syrian Kurds put aside there political differences and establish a unified state. Turkey and Iran are the two states where a Kurdish nation is unlikely to emerge.

Perhaps, but I bet for many Iraqis this is terrible, seeing their country being actually physically divided into pieces.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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True but between The Kurds and Isis who is more likely to offer at least a semblance of Stability. And Remember Iraq as we know it is not even a hundred years old. It was founded in 1921 after the fall of the Ottoman empire the Current lines were Drawn by the British.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Toyota's again? Is it me or does these types of insurgents love to use the T-100 trucks as their staple fighting make shift vehicle? I don't know if this will be considered as bad PR for Toyota or free advertisement.

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The Toyota Hilux is the Ubiquitous vehicle of Choice for the fashionable terrorist like his Krinkov AK. The Vehicle is damn near indestructible.
Top gear Took a 18 year old one, drowned it, slammed it, dropped it, Burnt it,
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They Dropped it on a multi story high rise being imploded
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As for Sources. They are Cheap, Readily available Japan and the US Who both Manufacture them often include them as non lethal aide and donations to groups like the red cross, NGO's, Rebel Groups being sponsored and Governments. Meaning Ironically The likest Source is the US Government as "Non Lethal Aide". The Aim was that they would be used to transport food and supplies to civilians. Conversion to a Technical is fairly simple. All you need with some scrap metal. weld a steel plate to the bed, weld a Machine gun mount and a simple harness to keep the gunner from flying. mount a Machine gun load machine gun and create Chaos.

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They are So Ubiquitis they actually had a War named after them'
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