ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

This situation is beyond repair now I have a feeling this is going to escalate and many country's might get sucked in

I have a feeling Afghanistan will follow soon after

$6 trillion dollars later
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The "trained" Iraqi army threw down their weapons and fled and the weapons they left behind were picked up the by ISIS which they used to attack

Trillions spent, thousands dead and 10 years later we are no closer to a secure and stable situation

Any Shias who are being attacked will be backed by Iran anywhere in the world, Iran is no joke to be messing around with and they can pull all sorts of strings throughout the Middle East they have proxy everywhere

If Iran decides to go the distance which they most likely will then neighbouring country's are likely to be drawn in Saudi Arabia is no question involved in this question is how far will US go to back them
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

This is the Escalation. This is the Syrian civil war Going Prime time!
 

texx1

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Here is a study of ISIS and the fall of Mosul from Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

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no_name

Colonel
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Maybe they could benefit from Chinese intel assets, and that along with Iranian forces. (Because I don't believe Iraq's own army can fight at all)
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: World News Thread & Breaking News!!

I think the effect and impact of drones have been overplayed by the media and Hollywood.

Drones are not some all seeing ever present 'win' button. Despite its advances, air power (including drones) still suffer from the fundamental problem of not being able to hold ground.

Libya only happened the way it did because of the rebel forces on the ground attacking the government forces and the embedded western special forces directing the air strikes.

Without that pressure on the ground forcing the enemy to congregate and reveal itself, drones and air power will struggle to find targets to strike, especially in urban areas against a non military force who don't wear uniforms or stick to using only military gear.

That is why Obama ruling out ground forces is such a huge deal given how poorly the Iraqi security forces have been performing.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

The Main Iraqi Army Already proved a Fail. The Kurdish units would likely stand there ground as even if they ran ISIS would hunt them down. The Iranian's are a question, as are they the Cure worse then the Disease?
 

texx1

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

To determine how much impact ISIS gains will have on Iraqi and the world's oil market, here is a picture detailing major oil fields and refineries in Iraq.

Iraq Oil.jpg
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

This probably won't amount to anything, but the words are still quite open ended...

China says willing to help Iraq in any way it can
BEIJING Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:47am EDT
Ealier today, Blackstone opened a thread about the impact on the PRC and potential for PRC/PLA involvement. That thread is in the Chinese Strategic Form, here:

How will the PRC/PLA get involved in Iaq?http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/strategic-defense/how-will-pla-prc-get-involved-iraq-6912.html

It is a good question and a discussion regarding that specific part of this is ongoing there and allowed to be seperate as long as it is kept spcifically about that.

Please take any specific PRC/PLA impact/involvement portion of this crisis to that thread.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Captured Iraqi army stuff.
[video=youtube;WRG7SoVstyI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRG7SoVstyI[/video]
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Iranian perspectives on the crisis in Iraq
By BEHNAM BEN TALEBLU June 12, 2014 7:27 PM


As the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS/DAASH) continues its operations, the Iraqi parliament has, according to the BBC, reportedly pushed back a vote "on a request to grant the prime minister emergency powers."

Nuri al-Maliki, the current prime minister, has long looked past concepts such as "power sharing" as a solution to a volatile Iraq. But as was recently revealed by The New York Times, attacks during the month of May prompted him to request backup -- from the United States.

There is, however, another country, one with a roughly 1,400 kilometer-long border with Iraq, that may be tempted to step in: Iran.

Should the US continue to turn a blind eye toward Iraq's chaos, Iran may very well feel it can further tie Iraq and Maliki's political future to the Islamic Republic. That would put the US on diminished footing vis-à-vis bargaining with Maliki to accept military assistance in favor of necessary political preconditions, such as those floated in The Wall Street Journal by the scholar Kenneth M. Pollack. Already, in Iran's political parlance, Iraq has purportedly been referred to as "the Islamic government of Iraq" by former Commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi.

In fact, Iran would most likely be happy to see America leave Iraq flailing in the wind. This neatly conforms to the Islamic Republic's pre-existing narratives of American reliability. Moreover, it gives the likes of Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani, the Commander of the IRGC Quds-Force (IRGC-QF), the chance to strut his stuff. Depending on prospective levels of Iranian support to Iraq in this crisis, the maxim of Suleimani's that was popularized in The New Yorker-- "'We're not like the Americans. We don't abandon our friends'" -- may once again be proven correct. After all, a photo recently emerged on Farhang News showing him holding hands with Iraqi Parliamentarian Qassem al-Araji in Iraq.

The events in Iraq have further forced Iran's political and military class out of the woodwork, commenting on the situation to their East. Iran's foreign minister, Javad Zarif noted that "Iran ... is ready to help the government and people of Iraq to combat terrorism," according to Radio Farda. President Rouhani also touched on the developments in Iraq, but did so by advertising a "session of the Supreme National Security Council" dedicated to the "region," as was reported by Mehr News Agency.

On the IRGC front, Ayatollah Khamenei's representative to the Guards, Hojjat-ol-Eslam Ali Saeedi, started pointing fingers for the violence. The countries that Saeedi held chiefly responsible, as reported by Tasnim News Agency were: America, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. He further stated that "[t]oday they feel that all their conspiracies in Syria have been defeated, [and] they have opened up another front by the name of Iraq ...." Picking up a similar theme, the Deputy Commander of the IRGC, Brigadier General Hossein Salami, was quoted by Mehr News Agency as saying, "Events that have taken place in various countries today, and as such in Iraq, are the results of military interventions by America and Western governments."

But there may be another culprit, one that rings a historical bell for Iran. According to a recent report in The New York Times, "Baathist military commanders from the Hussein era" have linked up with the armed militias currently conquering Iraqi territory. Should this be true, Iran's revolutionary leaders may feel their memory jogged by propaganda tactics used by the leader of Iran's Islamic Revolution, Grand Ayatollah Khomeini, at the beginning of the bloody eight-year war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988). Back then, Khomeini instructed the army and people of the "noble nation" of Iraq to rebel against Saddam, and reminded the populace in loaded religious language that "you know this war is between Islam and disbelief, the glorious Quran and atheism ...."

Following Khomeini's example, Iran's religious leaders have joined the fray, adding fuel to the sectarian fire. Some clerics took the stance of Grand Ayatollah Safi Golpayegani, who offered his best wishes but cautioned that "forces of resistance will extinguish this sedition with prudence and unity," as reported by The Islamic Revolution Documentation Center. Furthermore, the Iranian Students' News Agency (ISNA) ran a story reporting Prime Minister Maliki's praise of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq's top Shi'ite cleric (who, incidentally, is of Iranian origin, as his surname attests).

The strongest message came, however, from Grand Ayatollah Hossein Nuri Hamadani. In language that went beyond basic lexical devices, Hamadani portrayed the events taking place in Iraq as a celestial struggle between good and evil. He told the Iraqis that "it is incumbent upon Muslims to defend Islam with all [their] strength and capabilities, and be sure that the victory of Muslims is final in every stage, and the defeat of the opponents of Islam is certain," Mehr News Agency reported. Hamadani concluded his message with an excerpt of Chapter 61, Verse 13 of the Holy Quran, which assures "victory from God and a near triumph ..." [نصر من الله و فتح قریب].

That may well hold true, but whose side God is on in this battle shall continue to remain to be seen.


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June 13, 2014
Analysts: Ankara Needs Syrian Kurds in Wake of ISIL Threat
by Dorian Jones
With Iraqi Kurds taking control of Kirkuk, it is likely that Ankara will have to rethink its policy towards the Kurds in the region. Until now, Ankara has warned them against taking control of the oil-rich city, which is seen as another step towards independence.

Iraqi Kurdish forces took control of Kirkuk following the collapse of the Iraqi army in the face of advances by the radical Islamist group, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Ankara has strongly opposed Iraqi Kurdish aspirations to take control of Kirkuk, arguing it belongs as much to the Iraqi Turkish minority.

But a clearer threat to Ankara, analysts say, is its close ties to the Kurdistan Regional Government, or KRG.

Last month, Turkey announced a 50-year energy deal between Ankara and the KRG.

The Kirkuk region is estimated to have reserves of 10 billion barrels of oil — more than enough to supply Turkey's needs.

International relations expert Soli Ozel of Istanbul’s Kadir Has University, says Ankara could be looking to Iraqi Kurds to bring order and secure its business deals in the face of increasing gains by ISIL forces.

"You have to choose between Iraqi or [ISIL] taking Kirkuk and I guess everybody would have preferred the Kurds take it. And obviously the Iraqi army is not a fighting force, and the only fighting forces against these gangs are the Kurdish troops, the Kurdish Peshmerga, and this strengthens their hand," said Ozel.

With ISIL having a large presence on Turkey’s Syria border, analysts say cooperation with Syrian Kurds also offers an opportunity to contain the Islamist group’s threat.

But that poses another challenge. Ankara is deeply hostile to the main Syrian Kurdish party, the PYD, which controls a region bordering Turkey because of its links with the Turkish Kurdish rebel group the PKK.

Political columnist Asli Aydintasbas of the Turkish newspaper Milliyet says any cooperation with Syrian Kurds will be difficult.

"The Syrian Kurdish issue is more complicated because the dominant group on the Kurdish side is an offshoot of the PKK called PYD. Turkey feels that improving relations with PYD will ultimately happen if they can work out a peace deal with the PKK," said Aydintasbas.

With ISIL destabilizing the region, threatening Ankara's business dealings and its border, political scientist Cengiz Aktar of the Istanbul Policy Center says Turkey may have to rethink its alleged ties with ISIL and other militant groups and work with the Syrian Kurds.

"Turkey might feel compelled to work with Syrian Kurds and stop harassing the Syrian Kurds against whom it employed ISIL and al-Nusra and all these al-Qaida offshoots, for months, if not years, as sub-contracting fighters," said Aktar.

News reports of the presence of ISIL fighters in Turkey’s border towns with Syria have been prevalent. But Ankara strongly denies it has given any support to ISIL.

Currently the peace process between Ankara and the PKK is stalled, but observers warn if ISIL continues to enjoy success, it will likely add to growing pressure on Ankara to rethink its policy towards Kurds across the region.
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