ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Miragedriver

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What is sad is that Iraq maybe lost to the extremists. It must be so frustrating for all the brave service men (and women) that lost limbs, comrades and loved ones over that last decade, just to have this happen.

Makes me very upset
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Jeff Head

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And from Miles behind a Squeaky little voice announces.

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Irrespective of what one may think of Bush, the fact is, at the end of his term, the US had convinced the Sunnis and the Shias to work together with the US and fight the terrorists. And they did. And they had absolutely defeated them.

Al Queda Iraq was defeated and hiding in holes and the Iraqi people had, at least for the majority, helped defeat them and restore a large measure of peace to the nation.

Then after Obama became president, the US left, and the government of Maliki did not keep their hand outstretched to the Sunnis, ignored and insulted them, and over the last 4 years, and especially since all US forces left three years ago, the situation has festered into what is happening today.

As far as the use of US air power...US aircraft would have to coordinate with forces on the ground.

That could be done with the Iraqi military and any Turkish military because they have worked with the US in the past. I do not see it happening with the Iranian military that is moving in...and they may not even want it.

But, coordinating especially with the Iraqis who are fighting to stop the advance of the ISIS...that could still be a huge help.
 
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Jeff Head

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How could US Air Power help in Iraq?

Well, it coud turn this:

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Into this in a single day:

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It's been done before, and against much larger forces.

Be sort of a shame too...those are really nice new "Technicals" there. They look like they are right off the lot...probably from Mosul.
 

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2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

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TerraN_EmpirE

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And from Miles behind a Squeaky little voice announces.

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Military Times said:
Obama: U.S. will not send troops into combat in Iraq
Jun. 13, 2014 - 02:56PM |

By Andrew Tilghman
Staff writer Military Times

Sunni militants capture 2 towns north of Baghdad

How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions?

Iraq War vets angry, distraught as insurgents gain ground.

President Obama said Friday he is considering military action in Iraq, but will not deploy U.S. troops there.

“We will not be sending U.S. troops back into combat in Iraq,” Obama declared in a statement from the White House lawn.

However, as Islamic militants continued to advance south toward Baghdad and threaten the American-backed government there, Obama said Iraq “needs additional support to break the momentum of the extremist groups.”

“I have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraqi security forces,” he said.

A Pentagon official said later Friday that those options will include “kinetic strikes” on the forces loyal to the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham, or ISIS, which were moving southward Friday and continuing a stunning three-day campaign that seized major cities, including Mosul, and large portions of the Sunni-dominated north and west.

The ISIS force inside Iraq is not large, estimated at potentially fewer than 1,000 fighters. But their recent military success is driven by the widespread desertion of thousands of Iraqi soldiers who were trained by the U.S. military and given billions of dollars worth of sophisticated American equipment.

Obama said those widespread desertions reflect the fact that the underlying crisis roiling Iraq is fundamentally a political problem between the Shiite-led government and its Sunni minority.

“This is not solely or even primarily a military challenge,” Obama said. “The United States has dumped a lot of money into these Iraqi security forces. And we devoted a lot training to the Iraq security forces. The fact that they are not willing to stand and fight and defend their posts against admittedly hardened terrorists but not terrorists who are overwhelming in numbers, indicates that there is a problem with morale, there is a problem in terms of commitment, and ultimately that is rooted in political problems that have plagued the country for a very long time.”

Obama said the ISIS advances this week pose a risk not only to the Iraqi government, but also, potentially, to the U.S.

“Given the nature of these terrorists, it could pose a threat eventually to American interests as well,” he said.

If the Iraqi government wants U.S. assistance, Obama said, its leaders will have to take significant steps toward resolving the political crisis between the Sunnis and Shiites. That likely would include vows to give Sunnis more high-level jobs and sending a larger share of the country’s oil revenue to local governments in predominantly Sunni regions.

“We’re not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation where we are there and keeping a lid on things,” Obama said.

“We can’t do it for them. In the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might prove won’t succeed. This should be a wake-up call. Iraqi leaders have to demonstrate willingness to make hard decisions and compromises on behalf of the Iraqi people to bring the country together,” Obama said.

“The United States will do our part, but understanding that it is up to the Iraqis as a sovereign nation to solve their problems.”

The White House is currently in contact with the Iraqi government, and Obama said he might have a clear plan for military assistance “by the end of the weekend.”

As of Friday morning, the Navy’s Carrier Strike Group 2 and the aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush remained in the Arabian Sea. The carrier deployed in February, accompanied by the cruiser Philippine Sea, the destroyers Truxtun and Roosevelt and Carrier Air Wing 8.

The Navy has no immediate plans to move the Bush carrier strike group to the Persian Gulf, Navy spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Sarah Flaherty told Military Times on Friday.

Some experts doubt direct U.S. military action would solve the underlying political crisis.

“I don’t think the West has a military role to play here,” said Charlie Cooper, who studies Islamic extremism for the Quilliam Foundation in London. “The situation we ought to hope is one in which [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al] Maliki lends a hand to the Sunni tribes for political inclusion.”

13 June 2014 Last updated at 15:00 ET
Iraq conflict: Sistani issues Shia call to arms
Iraq's most senior Shia cleric has issued a call to arms after Sunni-led insurgents seized more towns.
The call by a representative of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani came as the militants widened their grip in the north and east, and threatened to march south, towards Baghdad.
The UN says hundreds have been killed - with militants carrying out summary executions of civilians in Mosul.
President Barack Obama has said the US is reviewing its options over Iraq.
Iran has also promised to help the fight against the insurgency.
Led by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), the Sunni insurgents have threatened to push towards the capital and other regions dominated by Iraq's Shia Muslim majority, whom they regard as "infidels".
Mr Obama told reporters on Friday that he "will not be sending US troops back into Iraq", but that Iraq needed additional support to "break the momentum of extremist groups and bolster the capabilities of Iraqi security forces".
He stressed that any US action "has to be joined by a serious and sincere effort by Iraq's leaders to set aside sectarian differences".
The BBC's North America editor Mark Mardell says Mr Obama made it clear the US would not be dragged into another conflict in Iraq.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague also confirmed that the UK was not planning a British military intervention.
The price of Brent crude spiked on Friday over concerns about the ongoing violence.
At the scene, Feras Kilani, BBC News, Baghdad
Fear is the thing that you feel the most as you walk through Baghdad's streets, as the militants come closer. People here are buying supplies and staying in front of their television sets. They remember what happened during the civil war of 2006-2008 and are very scared this will happen again.
Many Iraqis no longer trust their national army after soldiers retreated from the ISIS advance. It's certainly not the same Baghdad it has been in the last few years.
BBC reporters' Iraq round-up
Voices from Mosul under ISIS control
Viewpoint: What are the goals of ISIS?
In his sermon at Friday prayers in Karbala, Sheik Abdulmehdi al-Karbalai said: "Citizens who are able to bear arms and fight terrorists, defending their country and their people and their holy places, should volunteer and join the security forces to achieve this holy purpose."
There are reports that thousands have already joined Shia militias which could play a crucial role in the defence of Baghdad, says the BBC's Richard Galpin there.
Meanwhile Iraq's Ministry of Communications has started blocking social media sites in the capital, according to the privately-owned Iraqi news agency Al-Mada.
As the militants moved on to Diyala province on the border with Iran later on Friday, they clashed with Shia militias in Udhaim, about 90km (60 miles) north of Baghdad and in Muqdadiya, 80km north-east of the capital, Reuters news agency says.
President Hassan Rouhani of Iran called Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki on Thursday and promised that Shia-majority Iran would "not allow the supporters of terrorists to disrupt security and stability of Iraq through exporting terrorism to Iraq".
According to unnamed sources in both the the Wall Street Journal and CNN, Iran has already sent several elite units of its Revolutionary Guard to help the Iraqi government.
But according to the Associated Press, Iranian officials have denied that their forces are actively operating inside Iraq.
Analysis: Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor
The success of ISIS can only make the turmoil in the Middle East worse. ISIS is an ultra-extremist Sunni Muslim group. Its success will deepen the sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shias that is already the most dangerous fault line in the Middle East.
Iran, which is a majority Shia Muslim country, shares a border with Iraq. It has a direct line to Iraq's Shia Muslim Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, and close links with some Iraqi Shia militias. The Iranians could direct their proxies, and even their own special forces units, at ISIS.
That might end up further inflaming the anger of Iraqi Sunnis, who have already helped the advance of ISIS through Iraq.
US air strikes, if they happen, might do the same thing. Once again in the Middle East, the Americans have limited options. Their invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003 helped create and strengthen jihadist groups.
Nouri Maliki: Iraq's leader under pressure
Sharpening Sunni-Shia schism bodes ill for Middle East
What does Iraq's crisis mean for oil?
Rape and murder
The United Nations refugee agency, UNHCR, says local authorities estimate that up to 300,000 people fled Mosul in the past few days - joining the more than 500,000 displaced by the conflict in Anbar province earlier.
However, the number of those arriving has slowed down and some already there have begun to return.
UN human rights spokesman Rupert Colville said on Friday that his office had verified reports that included the killing of 17 civilians working for the police and 12 Iraqi soldiers.
He said there had been government "excesses", too, and cited the shelling of civilian areas on 6 and 8 June.
ISIS in Iraq
The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) has 3,000 to 5,000 fighters, and grew out of an al-Qaeda-linked organisation in Iraq
Joined in its offensives by other Sunni militant groups, including Saddam-era officers and soldiers, and sympathetic Sunni tribal fighters
ISIS has exploited the standoff between the Iraqi government and the minority Sunni Arab community, which complains that Shia Prime Minister Nouri Maliki is monopolising power
The organisation is led by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, an obscure figure regarded as a battlefield commander and tactician
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plawolf

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I often find the criticisms of Obama a tad partisan and unfair, but I cannot help but shake my head at how badly Obama is handling this ISIS crisis.

Fair enough the US does not want to get suck back into a protracted occupation in Iraq after only just disentangling itself from that unholy mess, but for the current US president to so publically rule out US ground forces at this moment in time, when it is already apparent that the Iraqi security forces had a serious moral problem, is downright irresponsible!

As he is putting his own domestic political wants (it's not even a political need as I seriously doubt many Republicans would be fondamentally against a limited ground operation under the circumstances, so the polticial costs of sending in ground troops should not be high) and legacy above the national, and international interest, and that is inexcusable in my book.

Could he not see how damaging this announcement will be to the already fragile Iraqi military moral?! Is he trying to gift wrap Baghdad for the terrorists?

With this announcement, I would expect Iraq to turn to Iran, who will be more than happy to supply the ground forces needed to hold the line against the ISIS.

If we look beyond the sheer comical irony of a potential scenario where American warplanes are providing CAS for Iranian ground forces fighting for an Iraqi government, the reality would be that Iraq would fall into Iran's pocket under such a scenario. And I cannot imagine many Americans would be happy about that after the enormously high cost America has paid in blood and treasure in Iraq.

Somehow, Obama has managed to contrive to turn an admittedly serious, but definitely manageable problem into a full blown, loose-loose crisis with little to no prospect for America to turn the situation to its advantage without Obama doing a Uee on boots on the ground (but even then it might be too late if half the Iraqi military has already deserted or defected because of what he said). Where the most likely outcome is now for one or the other of America's arch enemies to supplant it as the dominant power in Iraq.

And the worst part of it is that all of this was not triggered by a Tet Offensive like co-ordinated national strike by a large and determined force. We are talking about an ISIS combat force of potentially only 800-1000 men strong! The US garrison for its imperial fortress in Baghdad could probably have taken them with air support from carriers.

If Obama announced he was deploying SEALs and Deltas while launching air strikes from carriers and nearly land bases and sending in a few Marine amphibious action groups, the tide would already be turning on the ground before any new American boosts arrived.

The message he should have sent out is that America may have drawn down and are pulling out of Iraq, but that is because the security situation there has improved to the point were the Iraqis could take care of their own security needs. However, America is willing and able to come back and combat the terrorists should they ever return.

Instead, I fear that this speach will be seen as akin to the helicopter evac scene of America's Saigon embassy, signifying America washing its hands of the puppet regime it has installed and propped up, with similar consequences and results.
 
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texx1

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To aid further discussion. Here is picture summarizing the situation in Iraq.

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Blitzo

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This probably won't amount to anything, but the words are still quite open ended...


China says willing to help Iraq in any way it can
BEIJING Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:47am EDT

(Reuters) - China said on Friday that it was watching security developments in Iraq closely after Islamist fighters captured two more towns in a sweep south, and offered the government in Baghdad whatever help it can give.

China is the top foreign player in Iraq's oilfields, which are the largest in the Middle East open to foreign investment, and has a natural interest in the country's stability.

"China is paying close attention to the recent security situation in Iraq and we support the Iraqi government's efforts to maintain domestic security and stability. We hope that Iraq can return to stability, safety and normality as early as possible," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

"For a long time, China has been giving Iraq a large amount of all sorts of aid and is willing to give whatever help it is able to," she told a daily news briefing without elaborating.

China had asked Iraq's government to ensure the safety of Chinese people in the country, Hua said, though she did not say if any there had been any effect on China's oil interests in the country.

State-run China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), China's biggest oil and gas producer, has three projects in Iraq, in the south and southeast of the country.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)
 

no_name

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Wouldn't Iraq be a perfect place to use UAV assets to fight those terrorists? Especially as they move from cities to cities across open terrain to take them. Currently it doesn't look like Obama is planning to stop ISIS at all, boots on ground or not.

Which is a bit ironic because the US military has spend a lot of dough on re-adapting it's military to fight terrorist and counter insurgency operations.

And all that captured weapon and manpower is also going to flow into Syria. Maybe this is what Obama wants? Or maybe Obama just doesn't want to commit to anything.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Obama is not a liberal peacenik like some on TV portray him. He just knows troops on the ground are a negative to voters. And Obama has to think about the Democrats for the elections later this year and the next Presidential cycle. Why he's not a liberal peacenik is because he does everything else that doesn't involve troops on the ground. Obama loves drone strikes because it doesn't risk American lives. Lets not forget the Arab Spring. Like it's not obvious from what been happening around the world he wants other people in other countries to change governments for him?
 
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