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actually, NOT all of NATO or russian carriers had bulbous bows. Bulbous bow was invented by the Americans around 1910 as the taylor bow, and possibly as a consequence of the pride of invention, was used by virtually every large American warships since the end of 1910s. But elsewhere the adoption of bulbous bow was not even. The british resisted bulbous bow in everyone of their major warships including the invincibles of 1980s. The Soviets only adopted the bulbous bow to accommodate sonar. Up until the Moscow’s class helicopter carriers did not use the bulbous bow,

Bulbous bow is not the magical universally suitable solution some people seem to think it is.

Richard Santos said:

actually, NOT all of NATO or russian carriers had bulbous bows. Bulbous bow was invented by the Americans around 1910 as the taylor bow, and possibly as a consequence of the pride of invention, was used by virtually every large American warships since the end of 1910s. But elsewhere the adoption of bulbous bow was not even. The british resisted bulbous bow in everyone of their major warships including the invincibles of 1980s. The Soviets only adopted the bulbous bow to accommodate sonar. Up until the Moscow’s class helicopter carriers did not use the bulbous bow,

Bulbous bow is not the magical universally suitable solution some people seem to think it is.

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How many major warships built in the last 40 years lacked a bulbous bow, Richard "Jai Hind" Santos?

all three british invincible class carriers?

Richard Santos said:

all three british invincible class carriers?

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Right that is 3 out of...? Lots.

Richard Santos said:

all three british invincible class carriers?

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Off topic. Launch date for the 3 Invincible class aircraft carriers.

• Invincible - 1977 May 3
• Illustrious - 1978 Dec 3
• Ark Royal (Indomitable) - 1981 June 12

All more than 40 years ago.

So bulbous bows on ships are like flush toilets, a modern western invention imposed on Indians who were practising the superior open defecation for millenia.

It has nothing to do with the fact India today is poor nation with very little technological innovation and unable to provide even the basic necessities for neither its navy nor its 1 billion plus people.

Maikeru said:

Right that is 3 out of...? Lots.

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These 3 were also built at a time when no one else in the world who built carriers during the previous 30 years had built any carriers without bulbous forefeet. So, the british designers then must have been just as stupid and clueless as the “kai hind” Indians now?

not looking good for you british, Maikeru. Look in the mirror first.

The lack of a bulbous bow now reminds me a lot of the rifled gun on the arjun.

Indians copying an outdated british concept and now the british themselves are abandoning it

Britain didn’t abandon rifled tank guns because it was a bad idea to start with. rifled tank guns remain superior to smooth bore guns in accuracy. Britain abandoned rifled gun because she was too small and lack the critical mass, and the threat she face not sufficiently critical, to make the advantage of rifled gun outweigh the logistic hurdles of non-standardization with allies upon whom she will always depend on for logistic support.

Basically britain abandon rifled gun not because rifled gun was a bad idea, but because it is part of the long drawn out, 70+ year sinking in process of the she is no longer second only to the US as the great western imperial power with her own independent agenda.

From time to time she tries to buck the trend with Falklands and the QE class, but mostly the process has gone in just one direction.

Don't rifled guns have comparatively lower muzzle velocity? Like quite significantly lower. Also the maintenance and lifespan of rifled guns are inferior compared to smoothbores which isn't as much an issue during wartime but for everything else, it's simply an inferior choice.

Compatibility with NATO notwithstanding.