You are using on examples that suit your argument... They are plenty of examples that will goes against your arguement which you avoid. By the way, its late. I will just end my arguement here and go and sleep.
Has China already over-taken Russia in some sections of Military Avaiation ?
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You are using on examples that suit your argument... They are plenty of examples that will goes against your arguement which you avoid. By the way, its late. I will just end my arguement here and go and sleep.
MiG-29
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A supercomputer that uses a lot of american parts yeah a great feat
Part of the reason behind Tianhe-1A’s speed comes from “coupling massively parallel GPUs with multi-core CPUs,” according to U.S.-based graphics chip maker NVIDIA, which supplied 7,168 GPUs (graphics processing units) to the project.
The GPUs were paired with 14,336 CPUs (central processing units) made by Intel. NVIDIA contends that without combining GPUs and CPUs, the speeds attained would have required “more than 50,000 CPUs and twice as much floor space,” and would have consumed 12 megawatts of power. The current system uses just over four megawatts.
The Wall Street Journal notes that since China’s supercomputer uses Intel and NVIDIA parts, “U.S. customers could presumably construct a system with similar performance.” However, other components, such as the communications chips, were designed in China and contain proprietary technology. And China “is also working on its own microprocessors.”
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Sorry, your new is outdated.. You see, China evolved so much , most of your bias comment and view can't catch up with China advancement... Even this super computer is not the fastest, it still rank in the top three.. Where is the Russian one? And most important, where is the Russian chips? Hahaha..
MiG-29
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Russia-based T-Platforms created supercomputer which outperformed its competitors – the word leaders such as IBM and HP, in speed and quality of processing large arrays of data.
Such tasks are commonplace in pharmacology, information security, and many other knowledge-driven industries. In order for these complex tasks to be resolved effectively, high-performance systems capable of processing hundreds of petabytes of data are required.
“The Graph500 ratings are interesting because they allow us to assess not only the computing power of supercomputers but also their efficiency, in real terms, at processing huge quantities of data. In such tests, those computer systems that have been optimized for working with large arrays of data will always triumph,” says Vsevolod Opanasenko, CEO of T-Platforms. “This is yet another endorsement of Russia’s achievements in creating high-performance systems aimed at solving an extremely wide range of applied problems.”
“Emerging applications in healthcare informatics, social network analysis, web science, and anomaly detection in financial transactions, require a new breed of data-intensive supercomputers that can make sense of massive amounts of information,” says David A. Bader, Professor of the Georgia Institute of Technology, one of the founders of the Graph500 rating. “The Graph500 Benchmark highlights the importance of new systems that can find the proverbial needle in the haystack of data.”
T-Platforms custom-builds its supercomputers for the use by Russian scientific research institutions, in the field of biotech, nanotech, chemistry where complex modelling and data processing are required. For example, Rusnano uses T-Platforms supercomputer in the nanotech-related modelling. International expansion is also in plans in the not so distant future
haha Russia also has brains haha
Russia less money no copying and great originality
here is jet really Russian with Russian engine, not a DC-9 with Russian wing
[video=youtube;fzbNBq-oFBw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbNBq-oFBw[/video]
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You are talking about the lomonosov supercomputer that uses american (Intel) processors.
Some posts ago you were saying:
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And you still havent show anything to disprove that future trends point to china eventually surpassing Rússia in all fields. And are you implying that chinese dont have brains?
Quickie
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So in your bias mind, there's no Universities and Research Facilities, together with its scientists, researchers, engineers, in China? All the thousands of scientific papers they produce (much more than that of Russia) doesn't count for anything?
Btw, the Chinese designers of the ARJ-21 claim that everything of the aircraft are designed by them, including the wing. The russian facility was only responsible to churn out the experimental technical data.
And in regard to number of foreign sales, you simply can't compare apple and oranges. China's commercial aviation industry is comparatively much younger than those of other countries.
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I think that pretty much sums up everything in this thread. China is slowly transitioning from imitators to innovators. Their potential to be dominant leader in science and technology will rival if not surpassed the US IF they play their cards right.
Assuming nothing cataclysmic happens, by mid century and certainly before the 22nd century is here, there is no reason why the Apples, Microsofts and Googles of that time will be Chinese companies or at least of Chinese origins. Same with the aviation industries wheater civilian or military.
The J-20 is significant because I think military historians of the future will look back at it as probably the turning point of chinese military aviation where it slowly move to achieve it's own independence from western designs and assistance.
I think we all can agree that their achilles heel in their aviation is in jet engines but I think it's only a matter of time before they become like the Pratt and Whitney, GE or Rolls Royce etc..
Scientific papers and R & D takes decades from publishing or breakthroughs to actual product development and manufacturing. I think the next few decades many of their investments in these areas will start to bear fruit in terms of tangible products with 100% chinese origins. We're just in the very beginning of things.
Those of you who are young enough (before 30) I think there's a good likelihood you'll live long enough to see 7, 8th maybe even 9th generation fighters (probably AI drones by then) and other aircraft of the PLAN that are 100% indigenious design and made just like the F4s, F15s, f16s, B 29s, B52s, B2s etc were when they came off the line.
With the fast changing world of global politics, who knows? maybe 50 yrs from now you'll see NATO flying Chinese made fighters! PRC may even be democracy by then!
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...And yet there would be no point to the WS-10 or the Kunlun if China were continuing their dependency on Russia.
...And yet their newest technologies (J-20, J-10, WS-10, WS-13, AESAs) are not bought from Russia and there have been more indigenous technology in the last decade than the decade before. Hmmm. What a mystery.
You don't seem to know anything about Chinese cars if you don't think they are indigenous. I also find it kind of funny that you focus solely on aerospace when trying to push Russia's advantage. Is the electronics market not something Russia can compete in?
You should actually read what I said about Russia being in trouble if the Superjet and ARJ-21 are supposed to be talked about in the same conversation.
...R&D Money. Not procurement money. China is beating Russia in R&D spending. That money doesn't go to buying other things.
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Actually, you have just shown proofs that Russian is not ahead of China. Your examples of Al-31 and RD-33 are engines that were developed in the days of Soviet Union, illustrating Russia hasn't done much for more than two decades. China on the other hand has made progress in WS-9, WS-10, and WS-13, with WS-15 nearing completion and WS-18 in development. WS-10 and WS-13 show China has already caught up with Russian in the field of low by-pass turbofan.
So what you are saying is that what China is using is what Russia is using? Meaning China is already at the same level as Russia is in seeker development.
Actually, these are all indigenous. They are reverse-engineered by Chinese themselves, not brought in whole or in parts then assembled. Chinese flankers for example, are modified without Russia's inputs or consents, with everything including avionics and engines manufactured in China. The same cannot be said of India's Su-30.
Superjet 100 isn't much better:
With the occasion mentioning of a few Russian companies, the rest are Western companies. All Russia done is the shell.
False. Much of the time China cannot buy technologies, and this is why China is advancing so fast because it is forced to be self-reliant. Reverse-engineering as opposed to licensed-manufacturing, is a proof of self-reliance.
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