Has China already over-taken Russia in some sections of Military Avaiation ?
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If you want to talk about their equivalent then there is ARJ-21 and the MA series. But this thread is about military aviation, and ERJ-145 and E-170 are not military jet fighters. So what home grown fighters do Brazil and India have that's comparable to China and Russia? None! There you have it, BRIC countries are not on par with one another in military aviation.
India claims Kaveri is not ready because they can't spin it, unlike Arjun and LCA. And if India itself is not confident about Kaveri to risk a pilot for a show off, then it is a sign that the engine is really sh**ty. WS-10A is already in service with J-11 and being tested with J-10B. An experimental variant of WS-10 is flying with J-20 right now. To claim that WS-10 is not ready is no different than claiming the Earth is flat.
Pay attention to the links I put up regarding the electronics industry. While there is a foreign input base that's helped China really advance, that alone is really not enough to explain their current position. Keep in mind that what states have an incentive not to give China their bests for security purposes and businesses don't have an interest in giving Chinese partners too much power. The IP situation in China is a further hindrance for tech transfer. China's current position has been through a combination of what it has learned from other countries (legally or not) and what it has been able to do with that knowledge.
If you actually look at the BRICs in terms of technological development, they really aren't equal. India has a slight edge in IT and Computer Science, but China is the only one of the four that's made any grounds in competing with the incumbents of the semiconductor industries. Meanwhile only China and Russia have the ability to go to space, but one is making a lot of progress while the other is actually regressing. China is the only one in the race with the US and Europe in trying to innovate new energy technology (including battery research). And finally, Russia is ahead of China in aerospace, but that lead has shrunken dramatically, and at this rate it won't be another decade before China is on par, at least in terms of technological ability.
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Restating a false claim does not make it any less false. If you have actually done research, then you will realize they are not on par. The burden of proof lies on you to show otherwise.
Having foreign input does not mean China is behind in Russia in anyway. At the end of the day, it is what China can make that's count. No amount of foreign input will help if a country does not have the technological basis to understand the input, as a southern neighbor of China has shown.
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I think you are falling into MiG-29's misdirection trap. There is no need to show China is advance in all other areas to prove that BRIC nations are not on par in military aviation development.
I can come up numerous industries and technology product items in china where Brazil or Russia has no equivalent. it's a matter of focus.
I didn't know Ukraine made AL31s or AL-31 powered L-15.
and USAF buys F100 engines from P&W to power block 30/40 F-16s doesn't mean F110 is "not ready yet".
I'm not concerned with any misdirection. Just stating the facts.
How can you say all the BRICs are of similar technological level?
Brazil is CLEARLY behind the other 3 BRICs.
Indian is behind China and Russia.
China is behind Russia.
As an overall
But the point of this thread was to emphasis the fact that China has already over taken Russia in some parts of military aviation sighting the fact that it is already gaining significant ground on Russia, it might soon over take Russia completely.
Here's something for you to think about. If China is 20 years behind Russia then lets put China at 1991 USSR. China expects it's J-20 to be operational by 2017-2019. That's around 7 years time. That would infer that 1998 Russia had the capacity to produce Fifth Generation Fighter Jets putting 1998 Russia ahead of the U.S, now something about that just doesn't seem quite right.
Personally I think that by the time of the J-20 completion China will already be a small gap in front of Russia in most military areas, and that's around 6-8 years from now.
Brazil is CLEARLY behind the other 3 BRICs.
Indian is behind China and Russia.
China is behind Russia.
As an overall
But the point of this thread was to emphasis the fact that China has already over taken Russia in some parts of military aviation sighting the fact that it is already gaining significant ground on Russia, it might soon over take Russia completely.
Here's something for you to think about. If China is 20 years behind Russia then lets put China at 1991 USSR. China expects it's J-20 to be operational by 2017-2019. That's around 7 years time. That would infer that 1998 Russia had the capacity to produce Fifth Generation Fighter Jets putting 1998 Russia ahead of the U.S, now something about that just doesn't seem quite right.
Personally I think that by the time of the J-20 completion China will already be a small gap in front of Russia in most military areas, and that's around 6-8 years from now.
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