Has China already over-taken Russia in some sections of Military Avaiation ?

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Mig-29. I know that you are an indian or Russian.

BUt your comment that:" BRIC" countries are equal is total BULLCRAP!

China is by far the most dominate country in BRICS without China, BRICS will be empty and meaningless!

Alsom your claim that Indian cars are better is totall BULL!!

Here take a look at this list. China dominated auto productions in 2010 and 2011, India only has Tata made the list while CHINA has over 7 companies toped the list!

Tata ranked 18. But Chana Auto is still better. Also the list is dominiated by China from 17th to 40th places!!



China is so dominating from 17th to 45th places ranking. This means that in the future China will have many many world class auto design and manufacturing companies!!!

AeroEngineer said:

Mig-29. I know that you are an indian or Russian.

BUt your comment that:" BRIC" countries are equal is total BULLCRAP!

China is by far the most dominate country in BRICS without China, BRICS will be empty and meaningless!

Alsom your claim that Indian cars are better is totall BULL!!

Here take a look at this list. China dominated auto productions in 2010 and 2011, India only has Tata made the list while CHINA has over 7 companies toped the list!

Tata ranked 18. But Chana Auto is still better. Also the list is dominiated by China from 17th to 40th places!!

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One thing people often dont realize is that car components wise some midsized companies in china has become the dominate global player in their respective fields. if not the only supplier. kinda like midsized Japanese firms. dominating certain niches in high tech industries.
for example, you prob can not build a car with out considering using a chinese steering assembly.

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things like industrial power generation plants, commercial ship building, port machinery equipment, solar and wind power generation, chinese companies are high competitive if not the top dog.

legoboy said:

How can you say all the BRICs are of similar technological level?

Brazil is CLEARLY behind the other 3 BRICs.
Indian is behind China and Russia.
China is behind Russia.
As an overall

But the point of this thread was to emphasis the fact that China has already over taken Russia in some parts of military aviation sighting the fact that it is already gaining significant ground on Russia, it might soon over take Russia completely.

Here's something for you to think about. If China is 20 years behind Russia then lets put China at 1991 USSR. China expects it's J-20 to be operational by 2017-2019. That's around 7 years time. That would infer that 1998 Russia had the capacity to produce Fifth Generation Fighter Jets putting 1998 Russia ahead of the U.S, now something about that just doesn't seem quite right.

Personally I think that by the time of the J-20 completion China will already be a small gap in front of Russia in most military areas, and that's around 6-8 years from now.

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Aviation technology wise I would put Brazil in front of India.
They have an integrator of civil aircraft that is bar-none the best in the BRICS: Embraer.

They can do things alot of US companies has forgotten or unable to do .

paintgun said:

India leading in software i.e far ahead of China, is an anecdote Mig-29, but not necessarily true, in fact India is facing pressure from China's IT sourcing too.

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India is NOT a IT power. You never seen an Indian made software!

Chinese software are getting really good and will be a true IT powerhouse!

See this news. Chinese programmers dominated the most prestiages Programming contest. The NSA backed coding contest!

See this source.



This means that Chinese software developer are just like the Russians, very very tallented and will DOMINATE the software industry!

Also, the news said that India has 704 Participants but NONE are finiallist!

welcome to SDF aeroengineer, you are very nationalistic, but i hope we don't get to bashing other country, words like pure junks, bullcrap, no we don't use it here

hope you spend more time here

AeroEngineer said:

India is NOT a IT power. You never seen an Indian made software!

Chinese software are getting really good and will be a true IT powerhouse!

See this news. Chinese programmers dominated the most prestiages Programming contest. The NSA backed coding contest!

See this source.

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This means that Chinese software developer are just like the Russians, very very tallented and will DOMINATE the software industry!

Also, the news said that India has 704 Participants but NONE are finiallist!

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We are talking national industries. If you want totally about individual programmers, as someone From silicon valley I can tell you that Indians and Chinese are equally geektastic here. However, that's because of the college education and opportunities in the US.

paintgun said:

welcome to SDF aeroengineer, you are very nationalistic, but i hope we don't get to bashing other country, words like pure junks, bullcrap, no we don't use it here

hope you spend more time here

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Sure, I will watch it from now on.

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That is it. Mig-29 is an indian.

That explain why he is so desperate to bash China and prove that other BRICS are equal to China!!

LMFAO

Mig-29. Mr. indian. Go get a life!

Engineer said:

If you want to talk about their equivalent then there is ARJ-21 and the MA series. But this thread is about military aviation, and ERJ-145 and E-170 are not military jet fighters. So what home grown fighters do Brazil and India have that's comparable to China and Russia? None! There you have it, BRIC countries are not on par with one another in military aviation.


India claims Kaveri is not ready because they can't spin it, unlike Arjun and LCA. And if India itself is not confident about Kaveri to risk a pilot for a show off, then it is a sign that the engine is really sh**ty. WS-10A is already in service with J-11 and being tested with J-10B. An experimental variant of WS-10 is flying with J-20 right now. To claim that WS-10 is not ready is no different than claiming the Earth is flat.

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Keep up the good work Engineer.

You completely blow Mi-29 AKA indian away with your reasonalble and logical posts. While his posts are just LOW !!

latenlazy said:

Pay attention to the links I put up regarding the electronics industry. While there is a foreign input base that's helped China really advance, that alone is really not enough to explain their current position. Keep in mind that what states have an incentive not to give China their bests for security purposes and businesses don't have an interest in giving Chinese partners too much power. The IP situation in China is a further hindrance for tech transfer. China's current position has been through a combination of what it has learned from other countries (legally or not) and what it has been able to do with that knowledge.

If you actually look at the BRICs in terms of technological development, they really aren't equal. India has a slight edge in IT and Computer Science, but China is the only one of the four that's made any grounds in competing with the incumbents of the semiconductor industries. Meanwhile only China and Russia have the ability to go to space, but one is making a lot of progress while the other is actually regressing. China is the only one in the race with the US and Europe in trying to innovate new energy technology (including battery research). And finally, Russia is ahead of China in aerospace, but that lead has shrunken dramatically, and at this rate it won't be another decade before China is on par, at least in terms of technological ability.

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Today no one develops technology by its own.
If we are honest they are more or less on par let us see aviation


To start all these nations recieve help in one way or another, there is nothing wrong about it.

China has advanced a lot, true is a space fairing nation, has important programs and will continue developing those technologies in the future.

However Russia, India or Brazil are doing the same
In south america they are developing for example helicopters for example this is the CH-14 from Argentina

[video=youtube;59OL4Ap0OmE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59OL4Ap0OmE[/video]

CH-12 helicopter from Argentina made cicare
[video=youtube;c84nfaOgj7E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84nfaOgj7E[/video]
And Brazil can make tanks, this is the Osorio, never was put into production but was build domestically in Brazil.

[video=youtube;QHOMcwx5pmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHOMcwx5pmY[/video]


Russia can make many goods and in aerospace they are not fools, they are doing international programs for one simple reason selling.

[video=youtube;dJUJZN_xCoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJUJZN_xCoM[/video]



Brazil makes new jets like the Phenom

[video=youtube;qs9meolPjHU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs9meolPjHU&feature=related[/video]

So i will simply say, Russia is not falling simply it is adapting it self to globalization.


India is well posiotioned in helicopter industry

see[video=youtube;pnehXrSNE-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnehXrSNE-4[/video][video=youtube;KbdT7gPgFKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbdT7gPgFKY&feature=related[/video]

Aircraft industry[video=youtube;YO-cbmX4_oc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-cbmX4_oc[/video]