Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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tphuang

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This is the most complete humiliation, which means that any deterrent military exercises and military activities will be subject to the most severe sanctions by the United States.
War is inevitable, it only depends on the timing.
I think these terms will be retained. However, when American inflation continues to soar, a large-scale military exercise will be the best response. I want to see how that sleepy person reacts.

But on the other hand, will the leadership be intimidated by this threat and choose to yield in exchange for economic benefits?Russia's economic endurance is much stronger than their military strength, but are we completely opposite?
Such a major event no longer allows us to wait slowly for the NPC to convene.
I think you should calm down. America can do whatever it wants with Taiwan. That's it's right. There is nothing humiliating about it. If us wants to sanction china for carrying exercises against Taiwan, then it can go ahead and do so. If china is still concerned with us sanctions right now, then that's its own problem. It would be appropriate to downgrade it's relationship with us and kick out it's ambassador if it feels like certain lines are crossed.

Remember, American laws are what they are. China's own reaction is what really matters. China needs to go around the world and repeat the message that America is looking to start a war.
 

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This is the most complete humiliation, which means that any deterrent military exercises and military activities will be subject to the most severe sanctions by the United States.
War is inevitable, it only depends on the timing.
I think these terms will be retained. However, when American inflation continues to soar, a large-scale military exercise will be the best response. I want to see how that sleepy person reacts.

But on the other hand, will the leadership be intimidated by this threat and choose to yield in exchange for economic benefits?Russia's economic endurance is much stronger than their military strength, but are we completely opposite?
Such a major event no longer allows us to wait slowly for the NPC to convene.

America can make laws about anything it wishes to -- if it wants to make extra judicial laws on the sovereign actions that other sovereign nations make, well sure they can do so but it will not change the behaviours of other nations.

I don't see what is so questionable to you.

If anything this is a strange clause, as it is the equivalent of one nation making domestic laws to enable it to place sanctions against a different nation for pursuing their own national interest and carrying their own military development and training.
 

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America can make laws about anything it wishes to -- if it wants to make extra judicial laws on the sovereign actions that other sovereign nations make, well sure they can do so but it will not change the behaviours of other nations.

I don't see what is so questionable to you.

If anything this is a strange clause, as it is the equivalent of one nation making domestic laws to enable it to place sanctions against a different nation for pursuing their own national interest and carrying their own military development and training.
It's good to see you calling out trolls. It's something I hope to see more of.
 

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His question was not an invalid one per se, and I never accused him of trolling.

If there requires to be intervention for people who breach forum rules, it would be done as a moderator, not as a normal posting user.
I didn't mean flagrant, rule-violating trolling that requires moderator intervention. I mean the passive-aggressive duplicitous behaviour that's technically within the rules but brings the quality of discussion down.
 

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This is the most complete humiliation, which means that any deterrent military exercises and military activities will be subject to the most severe sanctions by the United States.
War is inevitable, it only depends on the timing.
I think these terms will be retained. However, when American inflation continues to soar, a large-scale military exercise will be the best response. I want to see how that sleepy person reacts.

But on the other hand, will the leadership be intimidated by this threat and choose to yield in exchange for economic benefits?Russia's economic endurance is much stronger than their military strength, but are we completely opposite?
Such a major event no longer allows us to wait slowly for the NPC to convene.
This type of response is exactly what I believe the Americans are looking for.

American legislation is very bureaucratic. Do you know how many hurdles this will need to overcome before it's passed? The entire of American industry will be against anything that would lead a significant deterioration of trade in relations with China. The only people in America pushing this is the MIC, and a few bribed politicians.

Read a little more on the cold war, America thrives off trying to instil a sense of paranoia in both their allies and opponents. This is one of the more passive aggressive attempts, but it's the same strategy.

America is close to imploding, they have much more important things to deal with than a small island in the pacific.

Until it's passed, it's best to ignore it.
 

Petrolicious88

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China shouldn't change its policies even if the act is passed in its current form. Continue exercises and send planes close to Taiwan in reaction to ROC government mistakes.

If there are official relations between the US and ROC governments, then the reaction is simple. Expel the US ambassador or downgrade their embassy like what they did with Lithuania
Except this time, China will be forced to act. Expect significant repercussions if this Act is passed. Downgrade relations, recalling of ambassador, etc.. etc.. are all possibilities.
 

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Except this time, China will be forced to act. Expect significant repercussions if this Act is passed. Downgrade relations, recalling of ambassador, etc.. etc.. are all possibilities.
Just stop buying US goods and bonds. Boeing already lamenting the fact that it's had barely any new Chinese orders since 2017 and is effectively locked out of 25% of the global airliner market - by its own estimates, US$1.47 trillion worth of sales by 2040. Make that happen to other US manufacturers. Don't announce it, just stop buying. Source foodstuffs from Brazil, Argentina, Africa, etc.

Work towards ending petrodollar and US dominance of international transactions. Encourage more commodity producers to accept payment in RMB and alternatives to SWIFT. Don't announce that either, just do it.

Work towards import substitution in chip design and fabrication - and any other areas where there is still reliance on US tech.

Mend bridges with India to discourage it from falling into the US camp. It would really rather remain neutral, I think.

Work to develop RCEP into a more comprehensive free trade area. Give other nations an alternative to reliance on the US market and investment.

All of these things are relatively easy for China to do and indeed many are being done. USA will like none of this. And the PLA doesn't have to fire a shot.
 

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Taking advantage of rising anti china sentiment, Taiwan lobby has been very active lately in US. Just like Pelosi's Taiwan visit, Taiwan lobby most likely played a major role in the creation of Taiwan Policy Act considering the length and comprehensiveness of this Bill.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Taiwan's de facto ambassador in Washington, Hsiao Bi-khim, hosted on Tuesday dozens of international lawmakers who back sanctions on China for aggression toward the island, a show of support for Taipei amid military pressure from Beijing.

The unannounced gathering of about 60 parliamentarians from Europe, Asia and Africa at Taiwan's sweeping hilltop diplomatic mansion in Washington - called Twin Oaks - is the latest move in Taipei's efforts to persuade fellow democracies to stand against China since Russia's invasion of Ukraine heightened concerns that Beijing could attempt to take the island by force.

In Beijing on Wednesday, China responded that striving for Taiwanese independence and seperatism was "a dead end", however.

The group, consisting of members of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) meeting this week in Washington, is expected to sign a pledge to push their governments to adopt "greater deterrence against military or other coercive" actions by the People's Republic of China (PRC) against Taiwan, according to a draft seen by Reuters.

Sources familiar with the issue have told Reuters that Washington is considering sanctions against China to deter it from invading Taiwan, with the European Union facing diplomatic pressure from Taipei to do the same.

"It is important to demonstrate to the bully that we have friends too," Hsiao told the guests, from countries such as Australia, Britain, Canada, India, Japan, Lithuania, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Ukraine, according to a list seen by Reuters.

"We are not seeking to provoke the bully, but neither will we bow to their pressure."

She welcomed two Ukrainian representatives.

"We certainly hope that as the international community stands with Ukraine, that the international community will also stand with Taiwan ... that together we can deter the further aggression coming from China."

The IPAC pledge, expected to be signed on Wednesday, also calls for countries to secure supply chains from forced labor in China's far western region of Xinjiang, and pursue sanctions on Chinese officials for abuses in Hong Kong, and on Chinese companies which support Russia's military industry.

In Beijing, asked about the gathering and pledge, a foreign ministry spokesperson said China was resolutely opposed to official engagement with Taiwan by any countries with which it has diplomatic ties.

"The Democratic Progressive Party authorities colluding with external forces and striving for Taiwanese independence and seperatism is a dead end," the spokesperson Mao Ning, said on Wednesday, referring to Taiwan's ruling party.

'YEARS PAST DUE'

U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Bob Menendez, who acts as the United States' IPAC co-chair with Republican Marco Rubio, told an IPAC briefing at the Capitol on Tuesday that a U.S. bill to support Taiwan would face some changes during a scheduled review this week, but that the "thrust" would remain the same.

An initial version of that bill threatens severe sanctions against China for any aggression against Taiwan, and would provide Taiwan with billions of dollars in foreign military financing in coming years.

Rubio said he believed the Biden administration was divided over how to approach prospective sanctions on China, and that although Beijing appeared to be taking steps to insulate itself from such actions, Washington needed be clear about the costs of hostility across the Taiwan Strait.

"It's important for us to be prepared to proactively outline – whether it's through legislation or through an executive announcement, exactly what the economic consequences will be if such an act of aggression goes forward," Rubio told the briefing.

China held blockade-style military drills around Taiwan after U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the island last month, a reaction Taiwan officials have credited for spurring an uptick in foreign engagement that Beijing views as a violation of its sovereignty claims over the island.

Taiwan also has been urging Washington, its largest arms supplier, to hasten already approved weapons deliveries that have faced delays because of supply chain issues and heightened demand from the war in Ukraine.

Republican U.S. Representative Young Kim, who has written a bill to track U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, told Reuters in an interview that Hsiao had delivered a forceful message to Congress about ensuring those weapons systems reach Taiwan quickly.

"She's said it in a hundred different ways that we appreciate the United States trying to get us the arms but don't forget, it's many years past due," Kim said of Hsiao. "She's very firm."
 
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