Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Jiang ZeminFanboy said:
Yeah, I agree. China won't negotiate on their core issue which is Taiwan. It is getting very dangerous if the public opinion thinks that China might be even weaker than Russia, and even worse if the deep state thinks China is at the same level as Russia. If they go ahead with that kind of game they will play with fire, and it won't end well.
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Might as well assist Russia in the war with Ukraine if this is where they're all going to end up anyways. What difference does it even make for China?

China is being sanctioned because it becomes too powerful to be contained and will even be close to impossible in the near future so while the U.S. still enjoys relative strength over China they have to force the issue as hard as they can get to make China move in a way that's detrimental to her overall objectives.

If what Minnie Chan's report on supposed weak ass EW from Chinese PLAAF on the recent Pelosi trip then maybe, just maybe it gave the U.S. military even more than enough motivation to disregard China's Air Force capabilities or it could be the total opposite, meaning that China's EW capabilities has increased but not as potent/effective as the Americans but it's almost there, so if they wait a few more years, China's EW capabilities would be more capable than that of U.S. So the argument and rationale could be of attack China now before it fully catches up with the U.S. where the stakes will even more deadly for the American military. Besides, the U.S. military will never engage with a military opponent that it's equal in just about every single way because that's never been their way of doing things, and their military doctrine as described by retired 4 star General Wesley Clark, America want to enjoy a preponderance of military technological advantage over it's enemies that's why they invest massively in their military bar none.

Let's hope the worst case scenario which is war doesn't happen because that would just be terrible for anyone involved.
 
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If what Minnie Chan's report on supposed weak ass EW from Chinese PLAAF on the recent Pelosi trip then maybe, just maybe it gave the U.S. military even more than enough motivation to disregard China's Air Force capabilities
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I might make a post about this in the forum suggestion section actually.

Is it possible to make it so that in every instance that the text "Minnie Chan" is shown in a post to replace it with [REDACTED: Well known crap journalist]
 
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Might as well assist Russia in the war with Ukraine if this is where they're all going to end up anyways. What difference does it even make for China?
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I think it was a foregone conclusion, anyway. What might have changed is the timeline but one way or another they would have found a way to sanction China.

And if it wasn't the Biden administration, it would have been the coming republican administration that has a bigger hard-on for China than for Russia.

In my opinion, thinking China could get away unscathed in the context of the Ukranian War and Pelosi's provocation was a bit naive.
 
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Contrary to popular beliefs, EW and radar jamming isn’t like some sort of wizard if duel where if my EW is more powerful than your EW your EW equipment just catches fire and you go blind. You do not counter EW with another EW directly. Countermeasures involve frequency hopping, not trying to overwhelm the interference signal by jamming in the same frequency. If you do something like that you risk interfering communications and radar from you own side since the potency of jamming signal falls off with the square of the distance.

Unless the USN deployed heavy EW assets right next to the Type 055 there is no way to completely jam the radar of a ship that large. I scoffed when illiterate people claimed that A Su-24 jammed a U.S. destroyer near Syria, and I scoff at the same claim here.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Might as well assist Russia in the war with Ukraine if this is where they're all going to end up anyways. What difference does it even make for China?
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The EU is still somewhat resisting US attempts to further sanction China. ASML is still shipping DUV machines to China despite US lobbying to cease those sales. China needs ASML for another few years while its domestic semiconductor supply chain spins up. Similar situation with commercial aircraft, etc.

In addition, a strong Russia is not good for China. The last time Russia was strong, you had the Sino-Soviet split. The last last time Russia was strong, China lost outer Mongolia. The last last last time, China lost outer Manchuria.

Russia is a frenemy, not a friend. What China wants is a middling Russia that can keep the US tied down in Europe, not to re-establish the USSR.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Might as well assist Russia in the war with Ukraine if this is where they're all going to end up anyways. What difference does it even make for China?

China is being sanctioned because it becomes too powerful to be contained and will even be close to impossible in the near future so while the U.S. still enjoys relative strength over China they have to force the issue as hard as they can get to make China move in a way that's detrimental to her overall objectives.

If what Minnie Chan's report on supposed weak ass EW from Chinese PLAAF on the recent Pelosi trip then maybe, just maybe it gave the U.S. military even more than enough motivation to disregard China's Air Force capabilities or it could be the total opposite, meaning that China's EW capabilities has increased but not as potent/effective as the Americans but it's almost there, so if they wait a few more years, China's EW capabilities would be more capable than that of U.S. So the argument and rationale could be of attack China now before it fully catches up with the U.S. where the stakes will even more deadly for the American military. Besides, the U.S. military will never engage with a military opponent that it's equal in just about every single way because that's never been their way of doing things, and their military doctrine as described by retired 4 star General Wesley Clark, America want to enjoy a preponderance of military technological advantage over it's enemies that's why they invest massively in their military bar none.

Let's hope the worst case scenario which is war doesn't happen because that would just be terrible for anyone involved.
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The US is pushing a lot to create problems... China look like it don't want to make a lot of fuss about it and continue with more of the same political agenda. I can comprehend that Taiwan want to be autonomous but with the direct proximity of China, they are clearly locked in some kind of economic co-dependence. Taiwan need China and China need also a working Taiwan. Severing the link and both will lose a lot. Taiwan need to ditch the US crap because they are not there to help them, they are there to help themselves.
 
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Moonscape said:
In addition, a strong Russia is not good for China. The last time Russia was strong, you had the Sino-Soviet split. The last last time Russia was strong, China lost outer Mongolia. The last last last time, China lost outer Manchuria.
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Making paranoid assumptions on a geopolitical entity that doesn't exist anymore and whose current ruling parties don't really have interest in such a thing is silly, to say the least. Better of trying to pull Russia further away from the European orbit so they can quit their futile attempts at being accepted by the west.

Now if you want to copy the US way of doing foreign policy, be my guest. Just don't whine when you face the exact same consequences because you couldn't let shit go in the context of de-Stalinization of the USSR. If you really want to go there, a lot of people around the world should distrust China on the fact that at some point, they did Kissinger and Nixon's biding.

Do I need to remind you what Kissinger did in the rest of Asia and South America?
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Contrary to popular beliefs, EW and radar jamming isn’t like some sort of wizard if duel where if my EW is more powerful than your EW your EW equipment just catches fire and you go blind. You do not counter EW with another EW directly. Countermeasures involve frequency hopping, not trying to overwhelm the interference signal by jamming in the same frequency. If you do something like that you risk interfering communications and radar from you own side since the potency of jamming signal falls off with the square of the distance.

Unless the USN deployed heavy EW assets right next to the Type 055 there is no way to completely jam the radar of a ship that large. I scoffed when illiterate people claimed that A Su-24 jammed a U.S. destroyer near Syria, and I scoff at the same claim here.
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I'll be honest my knowledge on EW is non-existent and you can bet bottom dollars that most of the people who read that MC article would just ate it all up as proof of China's supposed inadequacies on this important military field. And if China is weak on this aspect, you can imagine the fantasies these people think of the rest of China's overall military capabilities. The western folks are almost always dismissive of anything China's actual achievements, calling them fake and or pretty much dismissive it as nothing burgers. But when the news article talks about China's supposed deficiencies, these naysayers would use that nugget of information regardless of accuracy as the evidence of China's military deficiencies.

That's what makes these folks very dangerous because of their delusions and ignorance of China's formidable military capabilities. Aided by their idiotic politicians who tell their folks want they want to hear then we have a recipe of disaster on an epic proportions.
 
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One aspect I don’t think anyone that has commented on is the impact weapons supply to Ukraine will have on Taiwanese inventory. On the plus side US arms manufacturers now have economy of scale, which will allow them to produce arms at a quicker pace. But this comes at the downside of Ukraine eating most of inventoried goods already stockpiled by the US. Reskins to be seen whether deliveries to Taiwan could be made while the war is going on.
 
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