Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Overbom

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In reality, China will attack Taiwan with their rocket and air forces for weeks before any kind of landings, because with their current firepower,
In reality, the PLA will do a first strike against the American forces in the 1st + 2nd Island Chain and then mop up Taiwan while the US gathers forces from elsewhere to throw them against China.

So IMO the key here is if China can quickly take over Taiwan before US forces come to its aid.
 

Sinnavuuty

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In reality, the PLA will do a first strike against the American forces in the 1st + 2nd Island Chain and then mop up Taiwan while the US gathers forces from elsewhere to throw them against China.

So IMO the key here is if China can quickly take over Taiwan before US forces come to its aid.
So you implicitly claim that the PLA will preemptively attack the US if AR happens?
 

horse

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In reality, the PLA will do a first strike against the American forces in the 1st + 2nd Island Chain and then mop up Taiwan while the US gathers forces from elsewhere to throw them against China.

So IMO the key here is if China can quickly take over Taiwan before US forces come to its aid.

Seems like everything is changing.

This new status quo in the Taiwan Straits is still being established. How close and how tight it will be remains to be decided, but soon it will be.

That naturally will lead to questions, the most important one which people will start to ask out loud, is Taiwan an asset or a liability?

For example, Afghanistan was a liability, and the Americans were gone, lickety-split.

For instance, if advanced chips come from a TSMC fab on Taiwan, and the PLAN can enforce a blockade whenever they feel it, then that does not seem TSMC is reliable, and to rely on them is a clear liability.

Furthermore, if Taiwan refuses to do much or fight, then is it solely up to the American military to come save them. Sort of like Biden is Hitler, and Tsai is Mussolini.

If the PLAN is operating on the east side of Taiwan like normal, then what good is the first island chain? Can Taiwan still be an asset when it does not fight, and when PLAN on the other side of Taiwan?

PLAN operations on the east side of Taiwan, still all under the cover of DF family.

Kind of interesting.

Time for imagination!

:D:oops::p
 

Chish

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Until the geopolitical winds have shifted so strongly and obviously in favor of China, there's no way that other Asian countries will outright stop their delicate balancing act between the US and China.

The same thing happened for a number of European and African states during the Cold War. Countries look out for themselves first and foremost, and going all-in on China at this point still does not outweigh the benefit of catering to both sides.
When two of the largest elephants fight each other, regardless of who is stronger, it is better for others to stay away in a safe distance.
 

tankphobia

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Didn't you say you will ban yourself from this forum if china allows pelosi to land? How come you are still here and continuing with your over the top commentary? Maybe this is a hint that in the real world, people are a lot calmer than you?
Isn't that the thing though? People in real life are often a lot calmer and rational than those on internet forum and social media, we're prone to over analyzing every action by the actors and placing intentions to action where there might be nothing at all. It's a lot easier to call for nuclear Armageddon and ww3 when you're not the one turning the key and condemning millions to die for something as abstract as national pride, war has real, human costs while sable ratting hurts nobody but egos.

I think the current situation in which the three sides are doing a dance of I'm not touching you and diplomatic protests is much better than firing missiles at each other.

Yes the US is being aggressive and pushing China's buttons, yes Taiwan is going the way of independence from stupidity , but there is ultimately a long line of escalation to go before AR is even worth considering, but it's obviously fun to speculate as many here has done.
 

ansy1968

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Seems like everything is changing.

This new status quo in the Taiwan Straits is still being established. How close and how tight it will be remains to be decided, but soon it will be.

That naturally will lead to questions, the most important one which people will start to ask out loud, is Taiwan an asset or a liability?

For example, Afghanistan was a liability, and the Americans were gone, lickety-split.

For instance, if advanced chips come from a TSMC fab on Taiwan, and the PLAN can enforce a blockade whenever they feel it, then that does not seem TSMC is reliable, and to rely on them is a clear liability.

Furthermore, if Taiwan refuses to do much or fight, then is it solely up to the American military to come save them. Sort of like Biden is Hitler, and Tsai is Mussolini.

If the PLAN is operating on the east side of Taiwan like normal, then what good is the first island chain? Can Taiwan still be an asset when it does not fight, and when PLAN on the other side of Taiwan?

PLAN operations on the east side of Taiwan, still all under the cover of DF family.

Kind of interesting.

Time for imagination!

:D:oops::p
bro the noose (Escalatory Dominance) are there, they just give them the reason to tighten it.
 

horse

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bro the noose (Escalatory Dominance) are there, they just give them the reason to tighten it.

That is not my view brother.

This seems more like one of those arranged marriages from ancient times, between today's mainland China and Taiwan. Only the United States stands in the way.

This escalator dominance is a dumb idea from the west, therefore I don't buy it and never bothered with it. Look at the Taliban. They could not escalate for shit, they did not even wear shoes! Guess who conquered the country, again.

This is about China turning the tables on the United States and its lackeys.

Remember when China was admitted to the WTO? The plan or assumption from the West was that that will convince China to change, and they will conform to Western wishes.

China is doing the same thing here, but in reverse. Turing Taiwan from an asset to a liability, is an attempt to convince the West to change, and they will conform to Chinese wishes.

China is relying most on technology and the navy to do this.

At this moment in the game, and how the status quo is changing and what it will look like, the United States will be faced with only two choices.

Retreat like the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan the past month after Pelosi left, or bring everything to the fight with China and they really do have to bring everything.

How much is Taiwan really worth to the Americans? The second island chain and third island chain is still there.

China will push this question going forward.

China will dare the Americans to come and fight.

The same Americans who escalated dominance their way outta of Afghanistan-land.

:D:oops:
 

9dashline

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That is not my view brother.

This seems more like one of those arranged marriages from ancient times, between today's mainland China and Taiwan. Only the United States stands in the way.

This escalator dominance is a dumb idea from the west, therefore I don't buy it and never bothered with it. Look at the Taliban. They could not escalate for shit, they did not even wear shoes! Guess who conquered the country, again.

This is about China turning the tables on the United States and its lackeys.

Remember when China was admitted to the WTO? The plan or assumption from the West was that that will convince China to change, and they will conform to Western wishes.

China is doing the same thing here, but in reverse. Turing Taiwan from an asset to a liability, is an attempt to convince the West to change, and they will conform to Chinese wishes.

China is relying most on technology and the navy to do this.

At this moment in the game, and how the status quo is changing and what it will look like, the United States will be faced with only two choices.

Retreat like the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan the past month after Pelosi left, or bring everything to the fight with China and they really do have to bring everything.

How much is Taiwan really worth to the Americans? The second island chain and third island chain is still there.

China will push this question going forward.

China will dare the Americans to come and fight.

The same Americans who escalated dominance their way outta of Afghanistan-land.

:D:oops:
To be fair they sandbagged out of the Middle East because of the pivot and regroup to focus 100% on China...

If America doesnt fight then its finished, period, full stop. But if it does fight (and I think it will fight very soon) it may still have a chance at victory, but if it does fight it better be prepared to give it all 100% and even then it may still lose...

No good outcomes for USA other than China deciding to give up prematurely, this is why America's wet dream is finding a way to take down Xi and subvert CPC from within with their 5G infowar and covert CIA shenanigans... its the only way they have ever known on the way up, winning via cheat codes on easy mode
 
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