Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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blindsight

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Respect and equality is only surface-deep here in the US. The West has just gotten better at hiding their racism so it is harder to distinguish. But touch on real issues and you will start to see. Universities are rigged against you and job promotions are harder to get. Police will ignore you even when you get robbed or attacked but will be all too happy to help white folks. And god forbid you work in a customer service role, that's when people really show off their racism. Politicians and media will only give lip service to countering these issues but actively work against your interests even going as far as releasing repeat hate-crime offenders with no bail.

It's not even close to respect or equality in reality, but people have a great capacity for self-delusion. Many first-generation immigrants may fall into sunken cost fallacies. Not everyone can just leave friends and family for a new life in a different country and even fewer can do it twice. They can and will lie to themselves that things aren't that bad yet. This is especially easy if they didn't keep ties alive with their origin country and/or live in a bubble. People will lie and tolerate all manner of things; there were Jews in Nazi Germany who refused to emigrate too.

For the second-generation and beyond, many will need to combat Western propaganda telling them other countries are shitholes. When they get over that hurdle, they will also have to deal with the fact that they are mostly English-only speakers. How do you find jobs for another country if you don't speak their language and you don't work in a highly desirable field? Not everyone has the mental fortitude or skills to be an immigrant to essentially a foreign country.

Free to return is just a phrase and not the reality many people live in.

PS: Me and my friends also live in the US and have done so their entire life.
Their racism could be cured only by beating them up.
 

Biscuits

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Thank you for these thoughtful comments. There is definitely some impatience on both sides, I think. The history of the issue is fraught with disagreements and misunderstandings, and 九二共識 is something that was basically made up, seeing that there were significant disagreements even in 1992. It still had value though, and its demise was unfortunate.

Personally, I do feel the current situation of heightened tensions all started with 反送中 in 2019. I don't know if you recall, but the DPP was basically on the ropes after the losses in '18, before being saved by the images of tear gas in the streets of HK. I still wonder if the CCP thinks it was worth it, simply handing over the election to Tsai. Some in Taiwan joke that Xi actually wanted Tsai to win given their actions, lol.
You're scared of some tear gas? You must be absolutely mortified then at the prospect of having any dealings with the US regime, since they shoot live ammo at protesters who don't obey police commands.

You've illustrated the point of re-education well enough. Because Taiwan has been so infiltrated by enemy agents, you are deathly scared of the tear gas that has Chinese police label on it when rioters are using lethal violence, yet you will subconsciously completely overlook Americans shooting live ammo into people doing something completely innocuous. .

How could you not? Taiwan's Internet is controlled by US companies, its media is controlled by RFA and other such CIA mouthpieces. You've been brainwashed since the start to accept authoritarianism, using fear mongering that the alternative is "worse". Even someone who has a lot of critical thinking, it is not easy to break out of a bubble when it surrounds you completely, so this is not an insult towards you.

Re-education means showing the crimes of the colonisers, teaching history the way it really happened, wiping away the racist myths used to justify atrocities and giving dignity, critical thinking back to the one being educated after it was removed by fascist propaganda.
 

abenomics12345

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Thank you for these thoughtful comments. There is definitely some impatience on both sides, I think. The history of the issue is fraught with disagreements and misunderstandings, and 九二共識 is something that was basically made up, seeing that there were significant disagreements even in 1992. It still had value though, and its demise was unfortunate.

Personally, I do feel the current situation of heightened tensions all started with 反送中 in 2019. I don't know if you recall, but the DPP was basically on the ropes after the losses in '18, before being saved by the images of tear gas in the streets of HK. I still wonder if the CCP thinks it was worth it, simply handing over the election to Tsai. Some in Taiwan joke that Xi actually wanted Tsai to win given their actions, lol.
I think Taiwanese voters focus too much on the notation of "reunification" and not enough on the first principle notion of "what are the things a large (and rising power) nation would want out of its smaller neighbours". The answer to me is clear that a large nation would not want a hostile neighbour that continuously pokes its own eyes and formalizes hostile foreign policy (remember the mask export ban?) and actively undermines its efforts (semiconductor talent hiring ban) to modernize.

To give you an example: that American policies formalizes the suppression of African Americans (Watch "The 13th" on Netflix) and that Canada disagrees with these aforementioned policies does not necessitate Canada suspending the alliance with America. Like I said in an earlier post, I bet you Taiwan can get away with a lot of independence if it reorients its foreign policy to something that is more aligned with mainland. Hell, I bet it could get away with what Singapore does and prevent war.

In contrast to what Blinken might claim otherwise, might has always made right in history. It is naïve to believe human beings have evolved out of animal instincts in a few decades and even more so to anchor on the Francis Fukuyama "End of History" narrative.
 

AndrewS

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And why not?

If China leads in the Third Industrial Revolution, you would expect them to have amongst the world's highest wages and living standards.

@9dashline

And more importantly, what does the Chinese leadership believe?

I think the Chinese leadership is convinced they can deliver a prosperous China, but this will take some decades.

After all, they don't see the average Chinese person as inferior to the average American.

And in terms of the legitimacy of CCP rule, they have to deliver a prosperous China.

So they've correctly identified that if they lead the Third Industrial Revolution, they can expect to have amongst the world's highest wages and living standards.

A Taiwan war will potentially derail this vision, so they can live with the status quo.
 

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White House resists Congress’ bipartisan bid to overhaul U.S.-Taiwan relations

Speaker Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taipei isn't the only moment of congressional hawkishness the Biden administration would prefer to cage as it seeks to avoid provocation of China.

Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan is over, but the Biden administration still has congressional temperatures to cool when it comes to U.S. policy toward the self-governing island.

After warning Pelosi that her travel plans could provoke China — only to see the speaker make the trip anyway and lawmakers in both parties cheer her on — the Biden administration is now trying to make changes to a bipartisan bill that would overhaul longstanding U.S.-Taiwan policy in favor of a more aggressive posture.

The legislation, dubbed the Taiwan Policy Act, is aimed at bolstering Taiwan’s defensive capabilities and deepening U.S. ties to the island. It reflects a bipartisan push for a different approach when it comes to China’s increasingly belligerent behavior, highlighted by the similarly cross-aisle praise for Pelosi’s historic visit to Taiwan last week.

But the Biden administration is once again deciding to try to cage congressional hawkishness when it comes to China and Taiwan — this time by pushing back on a popular bipartisan bill that the White House fears could upend its assurances to Beijing about maintaining America’s “One China” policy, a diplomatic acknowledgment of Beijing’s position that there is only one Chinese government.

After saying last week that the legislation would “contravene” President Joe Biden’s authorities and efforts at diplomacy, White House National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson told POLITICO that “we look forward to working with Congress” on the bill.

Lawmakers said the administration’s reactions to both Pelosi’s trip and the new legislative push show that it’s being too cautious.

“They’re trying to stymie it and water it down, because they seem to approach every conflict that way,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who co-sponsored the bill. “We’re full steam ahead. We’re open-minded to constructive changes, but the goal is to be more supportive of Taiwan, not less.”

The legislation, initially introduced by the Democratic chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, represents the most dramatic shakeup of the U.S.-Taiwan relationship since the Taiwan Relations Act, which has guided U.S. policy on the subject since 1979. It authorizes $4.5 billion in security assistance for Taiwan and gives the island the distinction of being a “major non-NATO ally” of the U.S., among other provisions.

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Taiwan Bill Delayed Amid White House Pushback

It’s the latest clash between Congress and the Biden administration over China policy.

Congressional sources confirmed the Biden administration and top lawmakers are at odds over the Taiwan Policy Act of 2022, which would authorize $4.5 billion in security assistance to Taiwan, designate it as a major non-NATO ally, and elevate it within international institutions.

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tankphobia

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I feel that with the importance of Taiwanese strategic location along the first Island chain and access into deep ocean, even if peaceful reunification were to occur, there would be no way that the US would be happy with their stranglehold on power in the Asian pacific region being challenged, most likely leading to the greatest arms build up in the region since WW2 and a powder keg waiting to explode.

A peaceful reunification will only push back open war with the US and her allies, not prevent it completely. While armed reunification will allow China to choose a time and a place. Ultimately the status quo suits everyone despite what some politicians in Washington thinks, so hopefully this whole saga will end after the exercises.
 

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Taiwan Bill Delayed Amid White House Pushback

It’s the latest clash between Congress and the Biden administration over China policy.

Congressional sources confirmed the Biden administration and top lawmakers are at odds over the Taiwan Policy Act of 2022, which would authorize $4.5 billion in security assistance to Taiwan, designate it as a major non-NATO ally, and elevate it within international institutions.

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The bill is a way bigger deal than the Pelosi visit.
 
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