Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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The text of the following statement was released by the G7 foreign ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America, and the High Representative of the European Union.


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We, the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States of America, and the High Representative of the European Union, reaffirm our shared commitment to maintaining the rules-based international order, peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait and beyond.


We are concerned by recent and announced threatening actions by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), particularly live-fire exercises and economic coercion, which risk unnecessary escalation. There is no justification to use a visit as pretext for aggressive military activity in the Taiwan Strait. It is normal and routine for legislators from our countries to travel internationally. The PRC’s escalatory response risks increasing tensions and destabilizing the region.


We call on the PRC not to unilaterally change the status quo by force in the region, and to resolve cross-Strait differences by peaceful means. There is no change in the respective one China policies, where applicable, and basic positions on Taiwan of the G7 members.


We reiterate our shared and steadfast commitment to maintaining peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait and encourage all parties to remain calm, exercise restraint, act with transparency, and maintain open lines of communication to prevent misunderstanding.


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Meeting cancelled with Japan.
 

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btw, I would recommend everyone to listen to what Shilao said here in the beginning. Shooting down Pelosi plane or chaffing it or intercepting it and escorting it away was never a real option. Unless they wanted to start a shooting war (which they don't), this was never an option. Don't let the theatrics fool you.
You can also check rest of their commentary here.
 

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More images from the PLA's August 4 exercise in the direction of Taiwan:
➖ preparation of missile systems for launching Dongfeng-15V ballistic missiles;
➖ about 10 destroyers and frigates concentrated in the Taiwan area;
➖ J-20 and J-16 fighter jets were sent into airspace to patrol the Taiwan Strait;
➖ the in-flight refueling of the Y-20U aircraft (b.n. 20842) of the 38th Regiment of the 13th Air Force Division of the PLA Central Command of J-16 fighters was completed;
➖ Air defense, cover and escort tasks, day and night reconnaissance were elaborated.

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The PRC is gradually unveiling maps of "clearly focused military operations" announced in response to speaker Nancy Pelosi's dramatic boarding visit to Taipei Airport. Our friend Artem Maltsev understood the details. In short, welcome to the Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis.

As in 1996, ballistic missile launches, as well as naval maneuvers and actions to practice a landing operation, are the main argument so far. NOTAMs for planned exercise areas have already been published. At first glance, one might get the impression that the PRC surrounds the island on all sides, preparing for a blockade or worse. The infographics circulating on Chinese social media showing the deployment of aviation and navy off the coast of the island are clearly aimed at creating just that effect.

In fact, the closest squares to the southwest and northeast of Taiwan are missile landing zones, while aircraft and surface ships are likely to keep some distance. The latter is clearly seen in the example of the previous crisis of 1995-1996, when the corner of one of the "arrival squares" sharply touched the border of the 12-mile zone. Today, the corresponding square has defiantly shifted into territorial waters, gently touching the border of Taiwan's now inland waters. In truly independent states, sovereignty over inland waters is equivalent to sovereignty over land. For the PRC, of course, as well as for a good half of the international community, there are no sovereign waters close to the island of Taiwan, because China is one and indivisible. However, the PRC's political-military leadership made an appropriate gesture - extremely kind and cautious.

Now about the #rivets: in the last day, we have already seen at least 11 launches of short and medium-range ballistic missiles: according to preliminary data, they are DF-11 and DF-15 complexes. After mass production in 1990-2000 years. the arsenal of these missiles can approach 1,500 units. For comparison, during the two years of the previous crisis, China launched only 6 missiles of the same class.

Also, the latest MLRS PHL-16 of an unusual caliber: 370 mm took part in the bombing. In fact, this complex is specially designed to bomb the main territory of Taiwan as a more “economical” substitute for short-range ballistic missiles (in this role, it can be compared with the now known HIMARS MLRS, and mention the already reiterated theses about convergence. and mixing of the "heavy MLRS" and "tactical BR" categories).

In the near future, more advanced ballistic missile launches can also be expected: the notorious "carrier killer" DF-21D and its intermediate-range older brother DF-26. Rumors are circulating about the DF-17 demonstrating a state-of-the-art hypersonic glider. It would be interesting to see the results of testing these missiles against moving surface targets, but frankly, it is doubtful that the Chinese towed the target ship to the desired area in advance.

In general, the PRC missile arsenal today is a kind of unknown relationship between large-scale samples of complexes from past generations and their more modern and advanced counterparts. Thus, mass launches of ballistic missiles such as, for example, DF-16 and DF-21 can be a sign of confidence in the depth of the latest part of your “powder magazine”. The opposite is also true.

In any case, islanders can only enjoy the fireworks: despite Taiwan having a pretty advanced missile defense system (Patriot PAC-3 and Tien Kung-III site), it still falls short of shooting areas.

From a military point of view, it is clear that these launches will not introduce anything fundamentally new into the "strait equation". The possibility of a massive "bombing calibration" by Taiwan has long been considered one of the PRC's main assets in the event of an escalation of the conflict. But the experience of well-known events shows that even with the objectively limited usefulness of missile defense systems, the armed forces scattered in urban agglomerations are able to perfectly absorb such attacks while maintaining stability.

 

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Even better. Russia and North Korea don't have the luxury of worrying about credibility, they're concerned with survival - both use their nuclear weapons defensively. It would be very welcome if the post-WWII political orthodoxy in the US is overthrown and turns into something similar to Russia and the DPRK.

It doesn't matter if the US is taken over by white supremacists (spoiler: always has been) or continues under neocons or whatever other ideology. All these people share a very prominent common denominator - they all don't want their children immolated in a nuclear fireball.
So by this logic Russia is bluffing when it's threatening to nuke the west over the Ukraine. You don't think there are some positions countries are prepared to die for, and that can change the more unstable or bankrupt the government is?
They cannot threaten nuclear use against a nuclear state like China today, let alone a future China with thousands of nuclear weapons; most certainly not over Taiwan or even any US presence west of Hawaii. At that point their own vassals would rise up against them and boot them out because they too don't want their children immolated in a nuclear fireball.
What vassals do Russia and North Korea have? Both have threatened America with nuclear weapons recently. Again, you think both are bluffing?

Today America may be prepared to concede Taiwan if a few points are met. If mediation occurs through an international body, domestic democratic institutions are preserved and so on. What happens if American people start seeing Taiwan as the Asian version of Israel and will accept no compromise?
 

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the army of cold, calculating strategists behind the scene that sets out the overall geopolitical strokes of the country to dominate both its allies and foes alike.

You are talking about the pre-reagan America. The “cold calculating strategists” are a extinct breed nowadays.
Despite all the efforts of its rivals for the past 200+ years, it has not only endured and prospered, but also remain the most powerful military force for 70 years and counting.
Source plz? I agree on the US’s military dominance for the past 70 years but the prosperity, in my opinion, didn’t start until FDR era. (Roughly 80 years ago, coincidence?)

If China can convince the peoples of the second and third world that Chinese culture and by extension its government is superior to the Western narrative
It would be stupid for China to play someone else’s game. Plus the western narrative never claims itself to be superior, it declares itself to be the “norm”.

Nothing the US is currently facing is an existential threat to its existence
The existence of the US as a country and as a hegemonic power are two different things. It is the latter that’s gasping for its last breath. The latter couldn’t care less about the former. And it has the (nuclear) ability to bring the whole world with it in its last attempt to fight a certain doom, that’s what people are worried about.
 

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Shilao and Yankeesama just finished their podcast, one of the major take was that people like them or at least more ‘hawkish’ opinion in china was that the new cold war has started, the US will do anything to damage China even if it hurt US itself
I thought this was already clear to CPC leadership back during era of trump's trade war, tech war and targeting of Huawei. Maybe even during Obama pivot to Asia.
 

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I thought this was already clear to CPC leadership back during era of trump's trade war, tech war and targeting of Huawei. Maybe even during Obama pivot to Asia.

Trump would never let something escalate to this level without getting something in return, never. Despite the Democrats insulting Trump as a huge trouble maker they’ve been way more irresponsible with their pointless escalation.
 
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