Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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lube

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Permanently ending the concept of a median line is what I expected as a response.
Set the conditions for further military exercises on the 12nm line off Taiwan.

But is it enough? or too much? Big question.
I see ranting by the 'experts' that this is a big escalation so I think it's on the right track.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The outrage in China expressed by the Douyin generation, while palpable must not and never replaced the cerebral approach taken by the government leadership.
Amen.
I maybe guilty of acting like an emotional toddler for not getting my sweet fixed but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what's being done as of right now. Frankly, if countries or leaders like wannabe supapowah a.k.a. Jai Hinds want to taste Chinese lead, all they have to do is take the first step and the PLA will be more than happy to send them to nirvana.

Social media is good for expressing outrage but it's not a substitute for sober thinking and careful planning. The future of China and the Chinese people are at stake. Any wrong move will set us all back that can impede China's dream of national reunification and rejuvenation.
Excellent. See what a few deep breaths can do?
I agree with @ZeEa5KPul @Biscuits @Overbom most especially with @ZeEa5KPul assessment even though the dude can be a little prick at times with his opinion.
A big prick, if you please.
 

siegecrossbow

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I know that am one of those "members" that were highly disappointed, agitated having perceived that China didn't react with extreme prejudice to deter would be salami slicing partakers. But people like us (from the peanut gallery) don't have an iota of clues as to what's happening or happened behind the scenes that were being considered for the Pelosi trip prior, during, and after.

We are highly more sensitive because some of us frequents other forums with sizable anti-China members and this latest stunt from Pelosi only added to the hype and raised our respective expectations that this time China is going to rekt and about to open up a new can of China against Pelosi = America/Jai Hinds supporters etc..especially when our collective emotional dopamine was aided by commentary from comrade hype man Xu, and various government issued statements. Then you add those videos of troops deployments popping up in Fujian then of course, we or at least in my case thought that something big was about to go down only to find out in real time that the hype didn't meet the expectation which was a huge letdown.

We have to realize by now that in positions of serious leadership emotions must be suppressed in order to be able to come up with a plan or execute something that does not quench a thirst for temporary but gratifying action, instead the actions taken require considerable time to be appreciated or seen it's actual results.

The outrage in China expressed by the Douyin generation, while palpable must not and never replaced the cerebral approach taken by the government leadership.

I maybe guilty of acting like an emotional toddler for not getting my sweet fixed but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what's being done as of right now. Frankly, if countries or leaders like wannabe supapowah a.k.a. Jai Hinds want to taste Chinese lead, all they have to do is take the first step and the PLA will be more than happy to send them to nirvana.

Social media is good for expressing outrage but it's not a substitute for sober thinking and careful planning. The future of China and the Chinese people are at stake. Any wrong move will set us all back that can impede China's dream of national reunification and rejuvenation.

I agree with @ZeEa5KPul @Biscuits @Overbom most especially with @ZeEa5KPul assessment even though the dude can be a little prick at times with his opinion.

The problem is with the domestic propaganda which overcompensates for the lack of national pride in the earlier administration. It is a form of Jai Hindism popular with young people and should be dialed back.
 

plawolf

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Reflecting on how the past couple of days have gone, I must admit to feeling great internal conflict. The child in me wanted China to finally bare its fans and push back against endless provocations and insults, but the man in me is relieved that China’s leaders have put the greater good of the nation and the people ahead of emotion and personal ambition.

While part of me is disappointed China did not push back, most of me is glad that everything I have worked my whole life for, and all the plans, hopes and dreams I have for the future are still intact.

And it was as I was trying to rationalise that internal conflict that I realised that the time was not yet right. When China finally does decide to go, it should not have to face such a stark and costly choice.

Could China have shot down Pelosi’s plane, obliterated the USN in Asia and launched a successful armed reunification? I think it could have, and I think we came closer to such a moment than most could ever have imagined. China’s military preparation was no bluff.

This final point is what the upcoming exercises are intended to prove, that China has both the right and the might to respond, but chose not to for the greater good.

While the pro-America and anti-China trolls shriek with delight at another insult against China, the silence from world capitals is deafening. Anyone with half a brain can see that America was the one willing to take the world to the brink of ruin for the most selfish and petty of reasons, and it was Chinese maturity to not take the bait what they have to thank for not having everything they have worked for, everyone they love and care about, and all the future plans and dreams put at existential risk.

As with all recent American accomplishments, they have won a great propaganda victory at the cost of tangible real world losses.

As the Chinese exercises rage on and the economic pain starts to hit home, I wonder how many of those celebrating in Taiwan will hold their cheer and continue to think the costs to them worth the gain for Pelosi and her stock portfolio.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The problem is with the domestic propaganda which overcompensates for the lack of national pride in the earlier administration. It is a form of Jai Hindism popular with young people and should be dialed back.
"The problem is with the domestic propaganda which overcompensates for the lack of national pride in the earlier administration."

What do you mean by that statement? Was the Hu administration not that popular or at least disliked? My ex-girlfriend didn't like Hu or Jiang but she does love and commend Pres.Xi
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The more I think about it the more this seems to me like a Sun Tzu "appear weak when you are strong" moment. Normalizing exercises in Taiwan claimed territory is a pretty big win, especially if uncontested. Because you can then salami slice from a much higher starting line. Now instead of "will they go into the ADIZ" it is "how long is this no fly thing". Especially if this is sustained yet sporadic, it keeps them on their toes.

Basically imposing a soft blockade on Taiwan would have been seen as ridiculously escalatory, but now is seen as weak. Wow. The Overton window didn't just move, they did a remodel.
 
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